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Film: in Die Hard, do you think if Hans Gruber had fired his gun while falling he could've struck Holly or John?

This is clearly a question for Adam & Jamie on Mythbusters, but it's not a myth it's merely a hypothetical.
(For those somehow unfamiliar with the movie: I'm curious if the villain had fired his gun upward while falling to his death, if his fired bullets then might have enough net upward-force to still kill the hero standing at the window from which the villain fell.)

My guy reaction: Perhaps if he fired in the first second, but what about after 5 seconds?

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  • John_collins_200x300_small
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    Interesting question, and I'm trying to kill time at work. So.

    Assume a spherical villain falling straight down.

    Gravity accelerates an object at a rate of 32.174 ft/s^2 , so the downward velocity of the villain after t seconds in ft/s is 32.174 * t.

    Distance traveled by a falling object is (1/2) * 32.174 * t^2 .

    Hence, after 5 seconds, the villain is traveling at about 160.87 ft/s, which is not quite terminal velocity (around 180.45 ft/s), and has traveled 402.175 ft.

    Now assume the villain fires straight up and is using .45 ACP FMJ ammunition. According to Wikipedia, that ammunition has an initial velocity of 830 ft/s with a test barrel length of 5 inches, and a mass of 15 g.

    Since the villain and gun are traveling at 160 ft/s, the actual initial velocity of the bullet would be 670 ft/s.

    Assume the bullet incurs no wind resistance. The same free-fall equations apply to decelerating the bullet.

    Just eyeballing it, it would only take a bit over 0.6 seconds for the bullet to reach the villains starting point, and the bullet would only have decelerated a bit over 19 ft/s in that time. The bullet would still be traveling at about 650 ft/s, and at 15g would possess about 294 J of kinetic energy, compared to 477 J possessed by a round fired from a standstill.

    After 5 seconds, then, the kinetic energy of the bullet would be decreased by about 40%. I'm guessing that would still be enough to injure someone, but I'm not sure.

    What if the villain fell even further? He would reach terminal velocity of about 180.45 ft/s after about 5.61 seconds and a distance of 506.03 feet, and would continue at that velocity. A bullet fired at terminal velocity would have an initial upward velocity of about 649.55 f/s.

    An object initially traveling at 649.55 f/s would take about 20.19 seconds to completely decelerate, and would have traveled about 6,557.64 feet.

    The villian would fall 506.03 feet in 5.61 seconds before reaching terminal velocity, and could cover the additional 6051.61 feet in about 33.54 seconds at terminal velocity.

    That means if the villain fell for just over a minute before firing back up, Bruce Willis could reach out of the window and pluck the motionless bullet from the air.

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    As others explained, he probably could have shot someone while falling. But he couldn't have hit John, at least not fatally. He is protected by the need for several sequels.

    Holly is another matter. Yes, the plot was kind of built around her rescue, but a perfectly serviceable plot could have been written around her death too.

    Holly was in serious danger and is lucky to have survived.

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  • Spaceship_small
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    I think the answer is "Yes," he could have hit or killed the hero, except it's very hard to aim a gun when you're falling backwards at an accelerating rate.
    Your target is getting smaller and smaller, and even a slight change in the angle of the gun barrel is going to miss that small target.

    As for the speed of the bullet, it may be travelling slower as the villian speeds up his fall, but the overall speed of gun fire certainly can maime and kill a person.... if it strikes them.

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    What kind of gun did he have, and how tall was the building? (I haven't seen it, and wouldn't willingly watch any Bruce Willis movie unless his character died in the first five minutes).

    From most buildings, five seconds puts you on the pavement. But for most guns, muzzle velocity is sufficiently large that the acceleration of the falling villain wouldn't substantially affect it.

    Terminal velocity for a person in free fall is around 55 m/s; a typical handgun might be around 400 m/s. Now, shooting upward is going to slow it down, too, but without doing the math my impression is it would have to be an awfully tall building.

    Aiming might be hard.

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