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Are Subarus, Toyotas, and Hondas with over 100K miles reliable?

I know that sounds like an unanswerable, general question, but here's the context: I've been driving late 80s and early 90s Volvos for years. When you buy a used Volvo, 100K is considered low milage. If it runs well at 100K, it will probably still be running at 200K.

Is it the same for cars like the Subaru Forester or Legacy wagon, or for cars of similar utility from Honda and Toyota? These cars seem to start at $8,000, even with around 100K miles.

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    By the time you're looking at a car that old, the condition of the particular example you're looking at is much more important than make and model. I would take a car with a glovebox full of service receipts over an ostensibly more reliable make any day.

    Subarus are trickier than usual used car bets because (in addition to oil problems and head gasket issues on some some models) they have very sensitive all-wheel drive systems. That AWD system is by far the most capable in any reasonably-priced car, but it comes with the drawback of being very sensitive to abuse. This includes serious damage that can be done by circumference mismatch on the tires-- in other words if all four tires are not the same type and about the same wear it will seriously damage the transmission over time. On a car with 100k miles, it is basically impossible to know if someone drove around with the spare on for too long or if someone had a blow out and didn't replace all 4 tires like you're supposed to. They're reasonably reliable and capable cars, especially if you drive in the snow a lot, but I think they're risky used car picks.

    As for Hondas and Toyotas, they are absolutely reliable past 100K if they've received reasonably good care. However, they hold their value quite well so they're expensive. In my opinion, the quality of the domestics (GM and Ford at least) has caught up to a degree that the huge premium Japanese cars command used is no longer justified. In other words, you end up paying much more for a 100k Toyota Corolla than a 100K Chevy Malibu (for example) OR you end up being able to buy a much newer Malibu for the same money. Even though the Toyota might be slightly more reliable on paper, your Chevy is half the age and will end up being more reliable for your money. The Koreans also hugely improved during the last decade (2000's) and so used Hyundais especially can be good bets for the same reason.

    Either way, getting a prospective car inspected by an independent mechanic is much more important that fretting over what particular model you're looking at. Cars that are inherently unreliable really aren't sold in this country any more and so ANY car made in the last 15-20 years can be reliable at least past 200k if treated properly.

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    Yes. They hold their value for a reason. I can only speak to Subarus, since they are what I've owned. My last one went to 240k, and probably would have gone a lot further if I'd decided to put $1000 into the engine instead of trading it in for a newer used Subaru.

    The drawbacks for Subarus:

    SoundslikePuget is dead on about the oil leaks in older Subarus (upwards of 150k). The seals tend to go at that age, and they can go through oil faster than newer cars. But still, very good, very reliable.

    They also don't get the same kind of mileage that a little old Toyota might get. My last two subarus averaged around 24-28 miles per gallon. Newer Toyotas and Nissans can get upwards of 40 mpg, but might not be as heavy duty.

    If I were buying a car for mountain logging roads, I'd get a Subaru. If I were buying a car specifically just for commuting to work or tooling around town, I'd look seriously at a Toyota or Nissan.

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    For Subarus, the answer is a resounding YES, they are reliable at 100k miles.

    I'm on my third Subaru. First one had about 145k and was running great when it got totaled in a crash.

    My second Subaru had 245,000 miles on it when it started giving me trouble with the engine. I sold it, and later saw it parked at a nearby trailhead (it had a distinctive bumper sticker). The new owner told me he put a new engine in it, and it was running great.

    My current Subaru has 158,000 miles on it.

    Subarus with 200,000 miles are reliable. At 100,000 miles, they're barely broken in.

    Just remember to CHECK THE OIL! Subaurs use oil. If you add oil when it needs it, you're golden. If you don't, and let it run dry, you're in trouble. My brother has killed two Suby's on Stevens Pass by failing to check the oil. Don't be that guy (or girl)

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    My first two cars were late 80's/early 90's Toyotas and those babies ran forever.

    I bought my '89 Corolla with 140k or so miles on it, drove it for a year and a half without doing any maintenance, and sold it with over 200k to a mechanic who then drove it for another 2-3 years (not sure, family used to see it around town).

    After the Corolla was a '91 4x4 Pickup that I drove for another year and a half (I sold it when I moved here- otherwise I would have driven it into the ground). The speedometer crapped out around 146k and I drove it for a year after that before I sold it. I also never did any maintenance, and from what I hear it's still kicking around town.

    My aunt drove her old old Subaru until the bottom rusted out, and my brother is notorious for driving really crappy old Toyota trucks. My mom always told me to never buy anything other than a Toyota or Honda if I was buying something old. I trust her!

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    For horribly in depth conversations about this, visit cartalk.com.

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