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What's up with the Cemetery on 3rd avenue in Belltown?

This is what Google Maps says.

... But all I ever see at that address is a taco truck.  And while I heartily approve of taco trucks, they just don't have that 'spooky atmospheric' look.  Sure, I'll sit and wait until someone finds an atmospheric picture of a taco truck to prove me wrong, but it's the graveyard I'm after.

 

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  • Gold-head_small
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    Mysterious!

    There is so much garbage data floating around, and the concentration in various online yellow pages, including Google Maps, is higher than anywhere. I wonder what this is, and where the info came from.

    I found one reference on Google in a list of Jewish cemeteries, with only a note saying "Reform" attached to it; and another dubious item saying "cremation only".

    The mystery deepens when one visits the King County Parcel Viewer, which reveals that there is no such address as "2235 3rd Ave" in Seattle, but if there was, it would be at Regrade Park, aka Crackhead Park, the one with the dog walk behind chain link. I can't find any history on that park online besides the fact that the city bought it in 1976. If it was ever a cemetery before then, it was a long, long time ago -- all the downtown city's burials were moved first to Denny Park in the 1860s and then to further-out cemeteries when that became a city park in 1884. Before 1861 there wouldn't have been enough Jews, or anybody really, to justify calling that plot a "cemetery".

    I think it's simply screwed-up data. Usually what happens is the city name is wrong, and the street directional is missing or wrong. For instance, the Parcel Viewer says the only address "2235" on a "3rd" anything is 2235 SE 3rd St in Renton. Which is a house. Not a cemetery.

    There's a phone number, (206) 372-8990. If you or I were brave, we'd call it and see who answered. Googling the number just brings up the "cemetery" again, as well as something called "Allenns Services", which also looks like garbage data from somewhere. They may or may not be a tree removal service.

    My best guess is "nothing, it doesn't exist and never did". Second would be some kind of charitable association connected to the famous Mount of Olives Cemetery, in Jerusalem. But who knows. Maybe it's a guy with a huge pile of olives in his apartment.

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  • Mr_small
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    I just called the number (206) 372-8990. There was a voice mail, so I hang up without leaving a message. As soon as I hang up the phone, a guy called me back saying he was returning my call. I asked is it was a Jewish cemetery, and he said I got the wrong number. This guy sounded really sketchy. There must be more to this fake "company" than what we assume it as a Google Map mistake...

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  • Froggyskull_3_small
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    I think this is a reference to a cemetery on the north slope of Queen Anne hill. (3rd Ave W.) I used to live near it, and it has a lot of Jewish markers. I don't know if it's exclusively Jewish - when I walked through it once, I got a very distinct feeling that it wasn't a cool thing to do, unlike most cemeteries I've been in, so I never did it again. But every marker I saw had a Star of David.

    Unfortunately, neither google maps, yahoo maps, or mapquest were any help in seeing where this cemetery is - there isn't one listed in the vicinity. Also, from what I can recall, it was actually a few blocks west of 3rd, not along 3rd itself, which is an arterial between McGraw and Nickerson. If you have a good old fashioned paper map (I tossed mine when I moved to Denver), maybe that will show it.

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  • Finn3goof_small
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    That's pretty weird. I quick google search says this particular one is somehow associated with Reformed Jews and gives a contact number of 323-8486.

    Wikipedia has a page explaining what the real mount of olives is.

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  • 1061873134_seconddoc_small
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    Well...let's hop in the TARDIS and have a looksee shall we?

    ALONSY!!!!!!

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  • Rex_racer_small
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    there's a mount olivet cemetary on "3rd" & edmonds in renton. perhaps this pin was misplaced with not enough info, and someone else filled in 'seattle',  and that solves the caper?

     

    here's your spooky tacotruck, too --

     

     

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  • Min-wage_small
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    What a fun mystery - my guess is that Google has an incorrect address and phone number. I could see there being a little cemetery founded by some of the first Jewish families in Seattle that was later built over - requiring the bodies to be moved elsewhere - but it would make more sense for it to be located in the First Hill area because that's where the first synagogues were built.

    The first Jewish congregation, Ohaveth Sholum, was founded in 1889 and later built a synagogue at 8th & Seneca according to Historylink.org. They did buy a cemetery on Queen Anne Hill in 1889, which is now owned by Temple de Hirsch. Maybe that's why the Temple's phone number is linked to the cemetary listing on this Jewish cemetary website - they probably have the records of whomever was buried in this Mount of Olives Cemetary.

    Anyways, someone at the Temple might know where this cemetary was. I'm guessing it wasn't in Belltown though.

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  • Wa_usa_small
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    I tried pretty hard on this one for you, and unfortunately, my research came up inconclusive. However, I will say that it's quite possible that it used to be a cemetery. It was quite common in the early days of Seattle for cemeteries to be moved, especially in this area because it was part of the "Denny Regrade." The Denny Regrade was a massive landmoving project undertaken in the early decades of the 20th century to remove a hill near what is now Belltown.

    Here is a map showing the area where earth was moved for the Denny Regrade. You will see that the address of this supposed Cemetery is within the zone where millions of cubic yards of earth were cut away to level the land:

    If you would like to learn more about the Denny Regrade, the outstanding Seattle History website HistoryLink has more info here. Also, here is a great article from HistoryLink that talks about one of the many examples of a cemetery being moved in the early days of Old Seattle.

    I had a hunch that there might have been a cemetery there, and the context clues from what others have gathered suggest it was likely a Jewish Cemetery, so I went here to investigate for you:

    That's the Center for Pacific Northwest Studies and WA State Archives NW Region on the campus of Western Washington University in Bellingham.

    In the Archives, the friendly Archivists at Western Washington University helped me find the 1890 Polk's Seattle Directory, listing all residences and businesses in the city for that year.

    In the 1890 Polk's Seattle Directory, I found this list of cemeteries (sorry for the blurry picture, cell phone camera):

    Zoomed in:

    Here's what it says, in part:

    Cemeteries

    Jewish Cemetery: Adjoining the Free Methodist Cemetery

    Free Methodist Cemetery: South of Odd Fellows Cemetery

    Odd Fellows Cemetery: Between Lake Union and Smith's Cove, North of City Limits.

    Ok, so we know that in 1890 there was a Jewish Cemetery adjoining the Free Methodist Cemetery, which was SOUTH of the Odd Fellows Cemetery between Lake Union and Smith's Cove. A little further research reveals that Free Methodist Cemetery is also known as Mt. Pleasant Cemetery, which is up on Queen Anne. It is this cemetery which was adjacent to the Odd Fellows Cemetery, which was adjacent to our suspected Jewish Cemetery, and alas, was not in Belltown after all.

    So, my hypothesis was not proven correct. However,it was not proven false. I still think it is quite likely that there was a cemetery at that location which may have been moved as part of the Denny Regrade.

    Suffice it to say that I tried. More information could probably be obtained in the Seattle Municipal Archives - they will have a complete list of Polk's Seattle Directories (WWU only had the one, their collection is focused more on NW Wash.) as well as a wealth of other primary source documents - but I'm sorry I'm unable to pursue it further for you. I'm up in Bellingham this week, and was able to investigate this during my lunch hour at the State Archives NW Region on the WWU campus, but I can't invest more time in this "off the clock." Historical research is actually a large part of what I do for a living.

    A good resource to contact might be the "Ask MOHAI Blog" at the Seattle PI.

    MOHAI - the Museum of History and Industry - has experts who might be able to dig deeper for you. Better yet, maybe the Gnome can get a MOHAI or Historylink.org Expert to do a "Seattle History Week" on Questionland. I, however, have dug as as deep as I can for you on my lunch hour, and come up short of an answer.

    Cheers

     

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