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I've got a not-good neighbor situation. Help?

Firstly, I don't live in Washington State, so local resources aren't going to be useful. I'm looking for a generalized approach.

Mr. Griffin and I bought our home a bit more that 18 months ago. I'm 99% sure that my next door neighbors (with whom we share a driveway) are drug dealers. They aren't cooking meth, at least, but they have "friends" coming by at all hours of the day and night, showing up in their own vehicles or taking taxis, running into the the house with fist-fulls of cash and coming back out without it within minutes. The family (because yes, they have a toddler and an infant) is frequently gone for weeks, then back without warning, but the "friends" visiting next door keep coming in a steady trickle. When it's warm outside, the neighbors and "friends" smoke in their backyard, and when it's not nice, they smoke on their porch.

My problems with them are multitude. My family and others in the neighborhood have had fuel stolen from our vehicles and packages stolen off our porches, and in conversation with people who've lived here longer than us, the problems started when they moved in. I'm deathly allergic to pot. And it seems that their business is expanding, as recently we've been getting even more taxis than before, and the "friends" have starting mistakenly knocking on my front door; this sets off our dog at all hours of the day.

Yes, we've called the cops' non-emergency line, but it doesn't seem like any action is happening on that front. The neighborhood watch captain lives two houses away but either doesn't want to deal with it or is afraid of retaliation. With the exception of this house next door, though, we're in an excellent neighborhood that feeds into the best public schools in the area.

So, short of moving, is there anything else we can do? I don't want retaliation from the neighbors or their "friends," so bringing over cookies and saying "by the way, you need to keep your clientele off my lawn" isn't a good idea. Do I risk it and call the cops for real when there's obvious dealing going on and hope that my name stays out of the reports? Should I keep calling the anonymous tipline for narcotics until something happens? If I need to confront the neighbors, how do I do so in as low-key way as possible?

This isn't easy, but I appreciate the help.

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  • Enso_circle_small
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    First, I think your reasons for not confronting the neighbours are good ones and that it would be risky to do so. If the police do finally get off their backsides and do something about it, you will be squarely in the frame for having reported them. Bad.

    So, my suggestions are:
    Find out from the neighbourhood watch man who the community contact is with the police. If he is being unhelpful, ring up the local police station and ask for the contact details of the community/neighbourhood watch police officer and talk about it with him or her.

    If that does not work, ring the station and ask to speak to the officer in charge, and ask what can be done, and what you can do.

    I suspect, because I have a belief that generally the police are well intentioned etc, that it is a resources issue. Investigation of a house that is being used for selling drugs is time intensive (days of physical surveillance, by multiple officers), and difficult to prove (who is actually doing the selling? of what? how much?) and so the priority of it will be down the list. If you, by your regular observations of the events, can establish when it seems they have new deliveries, for example, then that may help the police target a raid to a time when there are drugs on the premises.

    For your own observations to be of use, you would need to take detailed diary notes and be prepared to give evidence in court. And even then that would be difficult, as you cannot do 24 hour surveillance and further, you would be treated by defence (and possibly by the prosecution) as an interfering neighbour with an agenda who is making stuff up and so on. Not a fun feeling.

    I know the advice to continue to get the police involved seems to be a bit of a cop out (har, a pun!) but we pay our taxes to them to do that job and save us the hassle.

    If your efforts to get the police to do something continue to be wasted, maybe get a local journalist to do a piece, or you write a piece for or letter to the paper, without your address etc, about the issue. Bad press may get the police to act?

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  • Icon_small
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    I mentioned this in response to a similar question a week or two ago, but: Do these neighbors own the house they live in? If not, can you contact their landlord to complain? You could possibly do it anonymously via a letter.

    Many landlords hide where they really live quite well (my former landlord had her other rental property as the contact info for my building and vice versa), but you can try to find a landlord's mailing address through the King County parcel viewer: http://www.kingcounty.gov/operations/gis/propresearch/parcelviewer.aspx

    Look up your neighbors' house, and then look at the property record.

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  • Atessoue_small
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    I asked a lady who I worked with who lived next door to a drug house what she did. And she basically told me that even after getting police to help and even do surveillance and everything, they never arrested the people and they kept dealing. She ended up getting away but only because her house burnt to the ground by no fault of her own.

    My suggestions which may not be all that helpful are:

    1. Build a fence around your property line, and make sure there is a high gate on the walkway to your door. Put a no trespassing sign on it or warning: dogs sign. At night, lock the gate. Make it as hard as possible to get to your front door so maybe it will but down on the people knocking at your door?

    2. Anonymously put out fliers announcing that the guy is dealing drugs and that everyone knows what's he's doing. Put them everywhere and maybe the guy will be afraid to keep going if he thinks that everyone knows?

    I don't know if theses are any helpful or realistic. I'm so sorry for what you're going through. I wish I could offer better help.

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  • Photo_on_2012-01-03_at_17
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    I know this is an awful question to ask, but how invested (emotionally, etc.) are you in staying in THIS house? I know moving is a serious undertaking, especially if you have purchased the house and since we are still in a crummy economy. If you really want to have this particular neighbor problem disappear, you might have to bring moving to the table of options, even if it seems like a non-option.

    It isn't fair. You shouldn't have to move. It is a horrible situation.

    I would of course pursue ozchick's options first, but as far as I am aware, it is very difficult to get out people if they own their place if they are paying the bills and the police aren't particularly interested in getting them out.

    You could also try to think of a way to make it VERY difficult for them to continue business there, but that may escalate things with some freaky people you don't want to mess with.

    However, I don't want to leave you with a sense of disempowerment. The truth is, you have the law on your side which could work to scare them away.

    Gah, this answer is crap I know, but these situations are very difficult. Scores of people have been in your position before I'm sure. Makes me wonder if there are any support groups online for this sort of thing!

    I agree that I wouldn't confront these people, but how about calling child protective services? You could probably do that anonymously, and seriously, people do take that shit a LITTLE more seriously. Besides that, you would probably be doing those kids a favor!

    Now that I think about it, that would be my number one phone call. Get the ball rolling in that direction and things might fall apart or become so irritating for them that they decide to pick up and leave.

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  • Korban_small
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    You don't know your neighbors, you have no idea why people are stopping by. It's not their responsibility to inform you when they come or go.
    Instead of knocking on a door to introduce yourself to your next door neighbor, you call the cops.
    You said it's not meth, unless they have three pits on chains in the front yard and boarded up windows, I don't know what you're worried about.
    I'm willing to bet a young family with little kids would appreciate a friendly neighbor.
    Maybe if you know them and they know you, they will be less likely to let their friends disturb you.

    I had a neighbor call the cops to say I was a dealer once because cars came and went all night long. I worked nights. I was coming home for lunch.

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  • Finn3goof_small
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    Do they own or rent? If they own it will be a bitch to do anything. If they rent you need to go after the landlord.

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  • Qlandav2ex_small
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    I would suggest going to the Federal level and contacting the DEA office for your jurisdiction. Ask for advice there. At that level you will not be dealing with an office that is compromised by local politics, resources, payoff or corruption and they will know the lay of the land as far as enforcement goes. I suspect you will be referred more locally, but perhaps to the level of the state police agency.

    http://www.justice.gov/dea/contactinfo.htm

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  • Rex_racer_small
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    Please please don't call CPS or DEA or 911 if you haven't actually talked to these people and heard their side of the story.

    For all you know they could be cancer patients trying to ease their last few years on earth.

    If your sure none of it is on the up and up and you can't bring yourself to have face to face conversations with these fellow humans, you can always send THEM an anonymous letter - in addition to ozchicks great idea to write the paper, you could type one up and mail it anonymously to them - with nothing in it about neighborliness! - that makes clear what they risk losing by continuing to break the law. Tell them half their neighbors are all talking and hating on them and as a group they hired a PI to gather damning evidence, which is nearly ironclad and complete. Tell them the jail terms in years and decades and how their children will be taken by CPS and then essentially sold to foster home. Make it clear which activities are especially drawing ire from the community (customers coming through at all hours). Finally tell them the neighborhood will have mercy if they conduct business elsewhere (commerce is for commercial districts!) Then, sign it from "the PI".

    As far as theft of packages and fuel - do you have proof? An enterprising teen thief growing up on that block will have noticed the traffic as well, and would be a fool not to use it for 'cover'.

    Now, with those people coming to your door, you oughta have some fun. Invite them in. Either try and sell them some spiderplant or herbs, or ask them to wait for the guy to get home (whilst you call the police).

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