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Can Seattle (and surrounding area) support two more professional sports teams and the associated venue?

I actually have no decided opinion. If the addition of these new sports teams actually come to be, along with yet another large sports venue, it will certainly add construction jobs and provide continuing employment opportunities. But, can they attract enough ticket traffic and associated sales to support this endeavor?

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  • Finn3goof_small
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    I'd say so. Seattle area sports fans are a bit more... fickle? (the right word fails me) than I grew up around (New York City) and many have to drive much farther than the majority of east coast fans but we do have some advantages. Both a basketball team and a hockey team would have instant rivalries. And rivalries are the heart and soul of successful sports franchises.The new Sonics would pick up the Trailblazer rivalry immediately not to mention a ready made super grudge rivalry with the the Oklahoma City Lying Thieving Fucking Bastards. The Canucks are already one of the most hated teams in the NHL in general and few things are more satisfying to a passive aggressive psyche than a good hockey brawl. Population numbers are OK. I'm told the market is the 16th largest in the US (by guys on sports radio, which I must confess is a guilty pleasure of mine). My concern on that score is that the population is dispersed and may include people that live a several hour drive from Seattle. The venue will be about 18K seats, I think... that seems about right for an arena in a city like Seattle. Key arena was just under 18K according to Wikipedia. That means the sports should be able to sell out regularly. I don't know what the TV $ or the memorabilia crap $ means in the venue equation but I would think it significant. Both hockey and basketball have a real genuine championship history here in Seattle. It's kind of ironic that the two major pro sports that Seattle has had championship teams with are gone and the of two teams that we do have one has made it to the championship game only to lose. Between hockey and basketball there would be, including preseason and post season games, something like 100 home dates booking the venue. I would think at least 20-30 non-sporting acts would book there as well and maybe a few other dates taken by college basketball tournaments, circuses (do we allow those in Seattle?) and other more unconventional acts. I'd think 160 booked dates in a year would be reasonable. Maybe more. I'm biased. I like pro sports. But I know what I'm up against and Seattle is not a classic pro sports city. Not the way New York or Boston or even Cleveland and (god help me) San Francisco are. It's a Husky town, maybe. It's a tough town to get top players to come to. You have to fly hours to get to most of your opponents even within the division. It's rainy and cold a lot. etc. But few things bring cities together like a home team doing well and sports are one of those things that people of all political/social/economic/political stripes (with some exceptions) can talk about and be passionate about and find some common ground in. I miss that sort of thing. I have friends whose politics I abhor but we have sports in common. Without sports I would not have them in my life and I think that would make my life poorer in some way. And they would not have me in their life calling them mercilessly on all their shit in the non-sports world. And I know I have more influence over their thinking on non-sports subjects then they could ever have over mine. But I digress. As usual. Or more than usual. The real question becomes "Is this a good deal for Seattle". I say yes. This seems the best deal in years for any city. It'll work. We'll make it work.
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    I'm doubtful.

    First, the sports market in Seattle is arguably already as or more crowded than the other four cities of comparable size that have four professional teams - Denver has an MLS team that no one cares about, and the Buffaloes are not as popular in Denver as the Huskies are in Seattle, and Miami (baseball and hockey teams no one cares about), Minneapolis/St. Paul and Phoenix (a hockey team no one cares about) all lack MLS teams.

    Second, whatever team Seattle gets in either the NBA or the NHL is likely going to be mediocre (Coyotes, although they may be out of the running) to awful (Kings, Hornets, Bobcats), so there isn't going to be the same "instant contenders" effect that the Sounders "instant contenders" effect.

    Third, I don't know how much appetite there is for hockey in Seattle proper, given that the Thunderbirds moved to Kent and no one seems to care about the UW hockey team, and the UW hockey team is a club team. I mean, yeah, the WHL and club hockey are nowhere near as good as the NHL, or even the AHL, but ... if there was an untapped demand for pro hockey in Seattle/Washington, I would think that there would at least be one competitive collegiate team.

    Fourth, I get that Seattle is a basketball town - Brandon Roy, Nate Robinson, Marvin Williams, and I know there are a ton more I'm forgetting - and maybe everyone who was so outraged by OKC stealing the Sonics will be totally okay with stealing the Kings, or the Hornets, or the Bobcats, but ... I have to think Stern fucked up at least a little.

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  • N510833790_3563_small
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    There's a 5+ year wait for Vancouver Canucks tickets. It's 600+ miles from Vancouver to Calgary and farther from Vancouver to Edmonton. I don't think the hockey team would have a hard time drawing fans at all. You've got all the local people + all the people visiting from all over the northwest and Canada.

    I worry more about the basketball team drawing fans. However, with the new collective bargaining agreement you don't need to sell as many tickets to stay profitable.

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  • Wa_usa_small
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    Yes, especially for sports we've won championships in. The Seattle Metropolitans won the Stanley Cup in 1917 and the Super Sonics won the NBA championship in 1979.

    Make no mistake about it, we are talking about pro-level championship quality hockey and basketball coming BACK to Seattle.

    You bet we can support 5 teams. We've won these championships before

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