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  • Very first steps when thinking about buying a home?
    Dinolock_small

    I just bought my first home (got keys on April 6th) and I learned a lot of things along the way. We are a similar age, but I wanted a condo or a townhouse (and ended up in the latter).

    First and foremost, Redfin is awesome. My significant other and I couldn't be happier with our experience with Redfin. Their website rocks, their people rock, their system is smart and empowers the buyer, they had our back the whole time, and neither of us felt a moment of pressure or that we weren't dealing with a realtor that was on our side all the way.

    The first thing I did was get pre-approved at Bank of America thinking they could give me the best deal. I had a dollar amount I was pre-approved for (including downpayment), and we planned to go around places listed 5-10% over what we actually had and lowball them until we got lucky. We eventually found exactly what we wanted for exactly what I was pre-approved for and are very happy with the decision to buy it.

    Finding the house was easy -- especially using Redfin's awesome website and the great realtor they set us up with -- it's finalizing the mortgage and title that is a pain in the ass.

    We went out looking together or separate (always with Redfin) at least a dozen times over 3 months before making an offer on a place that had been on the market for 5 days.

    Originally, I wanted my realtor and my bank to be unrelated things. I know how to read so I know Bank of America is a horrible company, but they also are giant and offered me a crazy mortgage when I eventually put an offer in.

    In fact, it was so crazy, they called me 21 days into the closing process (10 days before I was supposed to get keys) and told me they couldn't do it because the property was zoned mixed-use and too small to be considered, by them, a good investment. They first tried to blame government regulations but we eventually got them to admit it was internal policy. It was fucking bullshit and fuck Bank of America, but I'm over it and have been cautioned by many people that I should be thankful I got away from BoA's mortgage division as soon as I did.

    After that, I went to someone local Redfin recommended (Sterling Savings, who also did a great job), and 30 days later I had keys.

    The process of getting a mortgage has more hoops than I can possibly remember. Plus, while Redfin is all nice and electronic, nobody else is, and you have to sign and fax or mail so much junk.

    Ever bought a car? Remember all the paperwork? Imagine doing that twice a week for a month solid. I would have felt much more stress if I didn't have a flexible schedule at work.

    Talking cash, the #1 thing I learned was that having a 20% downpayment makes life a lot easier. It makes it easier to get the loan, and you don't have to pay for mortgage insurance.

    My closing costs were about $4000 in fees (3/4 point -- you'll learn what a point is -- $450 appraisal, escrow/title/bank fees); and about $2500 in stuff I had to pre-pay (you have to pre-pay a lot of taxes and insurance stuff and early April is the one of the most expensive times of the year to do it).

    After the BoA ordeal, I shopped around at 4 banks and got offers that were not significantly different. In all, total closing was around $5500, and that included the rebate I got back from Redfin.

    I also had to pay for a $500 inspection and $130 worth of lock changes.

    We are paying 20% less per month to own vs. renting a nice apartment in house payments, but probably more in utilities. Overall I am glad to have found the place we both really wanted, done with the process, don't have to worry about my rent going up every lease and moving every 2-3 years, and about 70% unpacked.

    But there was a week or two there during that mortgage process where I wanted to punch a kitten in the face.

    We intend to live here for 7-10 years and then change scenery, perhaps the east coast where the SO is from. And it would be nice to be in the position financially to just rent the place out then, which I can do after I have lived here for 1 year.

  • Should we install an alarm system?
    Dinolock_small

    In every single nice house I've spent extended time in that has an alarm system (aka almost all of them), the owners eventually get to the point where they ignore it completely, only use it as a fancy door chime (they can make little beeps when doors open), or only use it when they go out of town.

    The last house I lived with my parents in had one and they barely used it, and there was a serious burglary when I was in 5th grade. They still don't use it and now that all the kids are out of the house the stuff is much nicer!

    Anyway, my opinion is good in theory, sort of annoying in practice. Plus, they aren't fool proof. You're responsible for arming it every night and every time you leave the house and this can be annoying. If a "zone" isn't "ready" (aka a window is slightly open), the whole thing will refuse to set. Or if you have motion detectors and your cat is walking around, it won't let you arm it. Maybe the design has gotten drastically better over the years but I have always found alarm systems annoying. And I assume a well designed, not-annoying system isn't going to be cheap.

    It's even annoying at my work. Our lease states an employee has to be on-site to okay that nothing was stolen if our office alarm goes off in the middle of the night... which usually happens because of the wind (or who knows) a few times a year.

    PS, about dogs, saw this on CHS:

    "Someone came in and, tv, computers, purse, everything. We really got cleaned out. With the whole family home and the dog -- fucking dog."

    http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2011/05/09/burglar-clears-out-16th-ave-e-home-while-family-sleeps

  • Where would be the best part of town to live for a dog-loving, urban-loving, nature-loving, book worm?
    Sacri_ordines_by_charism_small

    Sand Point (and surrounding areas up to and including Wedgwood) is the dog friendliest, nature/greenspace loving, well-educated/bookwormy, non-noisy, somewhat transit-hookedup neighborhood with occasional 2BD rents under 1500. But it's hardly what most city dwellers would ever think to label 'urban'.
    Urban in seattle is either downtown, a neighborhood nextdoor to the downtown core, or within one of the tiny 30+ Urban Villages as defined here:
    http://www.seattle.gov/dpd/cms/groups/pan/@pan/documents/web_informational/dpds_008063.pdf

    IMO, and generalizing a bit: the yellow-green areas are what anyone from other american cities would call "urban city"... the pink zones are lower density, but tend to have the 'great neighborhood culture' you referenced in your Q. The white areas are going to bore you to tears, and the grey areas are boring as well as polluted and/or noisy.

    Cross-ref that map with this one - all of seattle's dog parks:
    http://www.seattle.gov/council/Bagshaw/dogparks/dogparks.htm

    FWIW : this webpage should be your friend for figuring out the neighborhoods better:
    http://www.seattle.gov/dpd/Research/Population_Demographics/Census_2000_Data/Data_Maps_for_Locally_Defined_Areas/DPDS_007017.asp

  • Got any tips for a first time home buyer (in seattle)?
    Sacri_ordines_by_charism_small

    1st: Before cruising homes and getting house-smitten, get all your finances in a row: Get a letter in writing that specifies that you are both pre-qualified and pre-approved for 'x' amount. Ask your broker and/or realtor about all the final costs and what the "high end" of those costs would be. Budget for everything coming in on the high end (perhaps use the spare change to decorate ;) ) Don't forget to keep 3 or 4 months worth of mortgage payments in the bank as 'padding'.

    Has your family made your wishlist / list of dealbreakers?

    Picking:
    Avoiding a lemon, IMO, is all about instinct and Inspection: Hire an inspector who is willing to give references. Then, check those refs. Better yet, ask a friend for a ref for an inspector.
    As far as instinct, that comes down to the walk thru: if the house smells like death and feels cursed by the demon of bad decor, go ahead and take a pass. Tell your realtor: "nope, sorry - bad vibe". If she/he doesn't respect this, it's time for a new realtor.
    If the list of "things we'll have to do right when we move in" involves hiring 2 contractors or goes longer than 5 items, then it's probably more trouble than it's worth.

    One last note: if you are 2 adults and a baby, get enough bedrooms that you are covered if it becomes 2 adults and a kid and 'Ooops one more'.

    Kudos for avoiding the variable rate traps. Good luck!!

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  • Comment on marymc's answer…
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    This is great! Thank you!

  • Comment on internet_jen's answer…
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    This is a great suggestion! The ironic part is that I'd likely be paying far less in rent by owning (with a roommate factored in). But I have to get to that point first- likely it'll mean not living in a way overpriced studio in a way overpriced part of town once my lease is up.

  • Comment on Livi's answer…
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    Also - after your contract is up. The alarm co. WILL lower your price if you tell them you are going to cancel service. They will lower it A LOT.

  • Comment on Misty Brown's answer…
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    Actually, we were home, which is why my wife (and kids) are freaked out. Apparently lots of houses in north cap hill have been hit lately, always while the owners are home. That's why the officer suggested a gun...

  • Comment on protosaurus's answer…
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    I could not agree with this more. The first time you're late and running out the door and can't arm the stupid thing because a window somewhere is a millimeter ajar, or it goes off in the middle of the night because a leaf blew off your neighbor's tree (even better if you get cop response with attendant large bill for false alarm, you'll regret it. And you'll stop using it. At which point the only security it will be providing can be had just for the cost of the sticker.

  • Comment on Luckier's answer…
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    I'll email one of the Mods and see if she can hook us up.

  • Comment on Mahtli69's answer…
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    Yeah, actually we were talking and we may be able to get to 20% by the fall. Thanks for the tip about the sewer - I actually recall our own sewer line breaking when I was a kid and it was a mess.

    I'll definitely find a good inspector.

  • Comment on Luckier's answer…
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    Thanks for the tips. I'd message you for the broker name but I don't know how I could do so. Can you tell me his initials?? :) I don't think we'll get a serious fixer upper as we tend to procrastinate and don't want to live in limbo for years.

  • Comment on pickled ginger's answer…
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    Thanks for the tips. I didn't know about Angie's List. I appreciate your help.

  • Comment on Christina L's answer…
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    Thanks for the finance tips. Fortunately, it seems like our mortgage in Seattle will be equivalent to our rent in NYC, and we will have a house.

    I'll take all your advice into consideration as we move forward...

  • Comment on Rev.Enant's answer…
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    Thanks, Terra (but the shroom rightly should go to christina for the oodle and SPL recommendations!).
    I did some digging, because I didn't realize how bad the anti-breed thing had gotten: here are some ads in CL that say 'no breed restrictions' or 'large breeds ok':
    http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/apa/2122443339.html
    http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/apa/2119307028.html
    http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/apa/2116780779.html
    http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/apa/2112901121.html
    but not a single one of them is even within city limits...

    this one in belltown
    http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/apa/2119792067.html
    says no wt limit, but the rotty will probably be on their 'no dangerous dogs' breed list. It's also 1830/month.
    this one's cheaper (1650) and says no puppies / no vicious breeds (greenlake, nice little neighborhood, actually): http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/apa/2119202012.html

    THIS ONE has NO breed restrictions AND is in Belltown (there's a great urban dog pakr in belltown on Bell and 3rd?) - the rent is 1900 though: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/apa/2119639337.html

    Good luck!!

  • Comment on Russ Campbell, NWEBS's answer…
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    Thank you for the links Russ Campbell. What a tragedy! I sincerely hope the city is able to rectify this safety issue and bring safety and peace of mind to Seattle's residents!

  • Comment on tofu oyako's answer…
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    Thank you for the information tofu oyako. I have heard rumors of how fantastic the dog parks in Seattle are. Several people have mentioned Ballard and I have found a few listings in that area that say they are dog friendly. Crossing fingers!

  • Comment on Luckier's answer…
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    Thank you for sharing your knowledge of the area Luckier! With any luck, I will have a new home in the area by February and can begin relocating. Then, I can follow up with questions about the best pubs and bookstores :)

  • Comment on Rev.Enant's answer…
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    Thank you again Rev.Enant for such a thoughtful and thorough answer. I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge of the area with me. The Urban Centers and Villages map you provided is off the hook! That is exactly the kind of information I was looking for.

  • Comment on Christina L's answer…
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    Thanks for the recommendations! I have had a bit of luck with Craigslist; however, most of the listings say "dog friendly" yet still have breed restrictions against both my pooches. I will give oodle.com a try too! Mahalo!

  • Comment on Rev.Enant's answer…
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    Your budget is going to be a large hurdle: not to say there aren't $1500 2BDs for rent, - because there are: there are just not many in the quiet/urban/wellread/downtown areas. And to want them to also take large dogs? That's a hard sell.
    Rents are going up in this town - I suspect it's tied to how homeowners are downsizing - if everyone downsizes, the smallesthouse owners , and the recently foreclosed-upon, then must be filling up the apartments.
    This time of year isn't great either: you'll have better deals and more rental openings in April and May.

  • Comment on Russ Campbell, NWEBS's answer…
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    Also you may find this magazine for folks living with a dog here of interest:

    http://www.citydogmagazine.com/

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
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    Thanks, Fnarf. Can't wait to live in fear for 5 years...

  • Comment on Cedarthvader's answer…
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    Thanks for the great tips, I would never have thought of sitting on the shitter! Expansion would be great especially with an option to rent the basement. We'll see, I guess that ups the price.

  • Comment on Rev.Enant's answer…
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    Thx for the shroom, Andrew -
    On the 3BD, you can always split the difference for now; and get a 2BD with an unfinished/partially finished basement... and have the option to remodel that square footage into more bedrooms later down the road ;)

    And yes, I think the realtor is the lynchpin of the operation: if she/he isn't 100% committed to being your rep, you risk serious disatisfaction.
    To this end, I searched for realtors in smaller/newer firms - with the idea that they would have less chance of being super-popular/overbooked and spread too thin to be my advocate for the 4 month (or so) process.

  • Comment on Rev.Enant's answer…
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    Thanks, Rev. All the answers were great but yours was the most thorough, and the first.

    I have a lot to think about. Sounds like a good realtor and good inspection(s) are the essential components.

    Re: future babies, yeah, a 3 BR would be great, but that might entail a sacrifice of good location, so it will be a tough call...

  • Comment on Christina L's answer…
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    finance-wise: order free annual credit reports. If you have some debt, try to make sure the balances owing are under 30% of your total credit limit. Use your mental prep time to clear your credit report of false/incorrect items. Don't open any new lines of credit within six months of house shopping.

  • Comment on Rev.Enant's answer…
    Sacri_ordines_by_charism_small

    also:

    If 'hood stats are important to you: Check zillow and redfin and all the websites that give you community info - if public school zones are important for you, check out the reports on the seattle school website and pay particular attention to trending (and check and make sure the same principal is there that was there in the report). Likewise you can use SPD's crime report maps to get an idea of crime levels in your neighborhood-to-be.

    Be damn sure your realtor is someone you make a good match with - vetting her or him like you might a new FRIEND or employee (which is what she/he is, after all) is critical. i.e. This isn't your salesperson, this is your advocate for a 30-year-long legally binding contract and (likely) the most expensive investment you'll ever make. If there's something that rubs you the wrong way at week #2, you sure the hell don't want to be worrying about that crap during the tension that is Closing.
    Be open and honest with your realtor/broker: if you are handy and willing to get a run-down fixer, let them know HOW much of a fixer you can handle. You can get A LOT more house this way.

    Finance: avoid short sale and bank-foreclosure properties: the extra risk and incrediblylong extra time involved has the potential to cancel out the advantage of the small price savings you might see (Many realtors will lay out ground rules of their own, and say they don't do these). Also, some underwriters get much more fussy about these properties, making your actual odds of getting approved lower.

    When nearing the closing, don't forget you are the buyer and very much in control: If the door needs replacement, but the seller doesn't want to give you a lower price, ask them to do the work before you'll finalize the sale.

  • Comment on Tom Sackett's answer…
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    Seemed like a clear answer to me: you start reporting him for little things, you may find yourself surprised by all the little laws that you break every day.

    Don't be petty. Find something better to worry about in your life.

  • Comment on Tom Sackett's answer…
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    When you ask a question on Questionland that you could have answered more quickly with a google search, people will assume you're looking for more than just a basic answer.

    You include a lot of detail in your question, so I assume that you would have said if you had tried complaining directly to the neighbor. If you're worried about how he would react, you should also be worried about the kind of retaliation I described above. Your neighbor just has to google your name, and your Questionland account pops up as the second search hit.

  • Comment on Tom Sackett's answer…
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    I think he was answering your question, just not in the way you wanted him to. He was saying "Don't Call". This is a conversational forum, and, as in life, not every answer is yes or no, black or white.
    FWIW, I wouldn't tattle on your neighbor either. Not very nice.

  • Comment on Tom Sackett's answer…
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    When you comment on someone's question without actually answering the question, all you are doing is making it less likely other people will read the post and maybe actually share the answer.