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  • Which Are "Ribs" ?
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    Pork Spare ribs come from the belly. Pork Back ribs (or AKA baby back ribs) come from the rib portion of the loin as in like where your ribeye would come from if we were talking beef.

    Pork babybacks are more tender because they come from the loin (same place as the pork chops come from). They also have smaller bones and lighter weight. Generally 2-1/2 lbs & under for baby backs.

    Pork spareribs are usually more affordable than pork back ribs and are meatier. They are also larger w/a larger bone. Full slab of spareribs will be 4-6 lbs. A "St Louis" (also aka "Kansas City") cut rib is just spareribs with the brisket bone cut off. This type of sparerib cut makes them visually look similar to a baby back rib but more meaty & larger boned. Sometimes you will see this brisket rib portion also sold at retail. It is usually then called "rib tips". Since slow cooking is the way to go with ribs, they are all plenty tender & fall of the bone.

    Most common beef ribs are back ribs (rib portion of the loin) and short ribs (plate/chuck). Taste good. Cost more.

    Depends on what part of the country you are in on what is on the menu at a bbq joint and ask for ribs. Commonly both pork spare ribs & baby backs will be on the menu. If you are ordering on a menu that says "ribs" either a "half rack" or a "whole rack", this is usually pork baby back ribs. If you are ordering on a menu that says "St Louis" then you are ordering spare ribs. Really just depends on the place.

    If you are in Texas, you'll likely find beef ribs pretty common on the menu.

  • I'm cooking chili in the crock pot. Is it really necessary too brown the ground beef first, or can I just throw everything in and go walk the dog?
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    Always brown the meat when using a crock-pot. The pot never gets quite hot enough to cook the meat right. By the time it reaches a safe temp the meat will have been sitting at dangerous temps for a long time.

  • Best BBQ joint in Seattle
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    I like Ro-Ro's BBQ on Stoneway in Fremont in a pinch- not too expensive and great flavour.

  • Why does beef have a rainbow tinge?
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    It's just a light color play that occurs in deli meat, especially beef. Depending on the beef & the type of light, can be a rainbow of colors but often it has a green tinge which leads many to think the meat is spoiled. Spoilage would likely have an off odor, feel slimy or sticky.

    It's normal.

  • What should I do with a pound of ground goat meat?
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    I heartily second both of these recommendations. I would like to add that fennel (seed and bulb) and orange zest, which are both components of the Greek pork sausage loukaniko, would be wonderful with goat.

  • Where can I buy a small (2 lb) quality whole chicken?
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    I bet Rain Shadow would order some Cornish game hens or smallish fryers for you if you asked them.

  • Why do ingredient labels specify if meat has been "mechanically separated"?
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    Meat & poultry labeling terminology is regulated by FSIS. Because mechanically separated meat & poultry changes the product, it has it's own "standard of identity" which must be used on the label. A "standard of identity" is established for all meat products and must be on the labels. Mechanically separated meat is paste-like, therefore having its own identity.

  • Is there a "dirty dozen" and "clean 15" type list for meat? Are certain types of meat more or less important to buy organic or hormone-free, etc?
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    Organic doesn't hold the safe seal for me. It simply doesn't mean what it used to. To answer your question and not go off into some political tirade (although meat IS political) factory farm vs small local farm should be your real concern. The "organic and free range" chicken may eat organic corn/feed and have a door barely large enough for one of the thousands of birds to travel through to an outside place (free range) that is no bigger than my deck. I personally have come to the conclusion that anything we consume the most of as a nation (Beef, Pork, Poultry we should be the most cautious of. Big Ag. unfortunately keeps finding ways to raising these animals cheaper and cheaper (to keep up with the demand) at a bigger profit and at a health cost to us. First step...Read the label... for sure hormones are not good for us, antibiotics are not good for us and the bigger the company, the less safe and good for us it is. Best bet...take some time out of your day, travel to a farmers market, eat less meat and be happy that you pay more for it now. Pay now or pay later. I just couldn't stay away for the politics.

  • Smoking a brisket?
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    Make sure you get a whole brisket and not just the flat. Most grocery stores separate the flat and the point. Ask for a whole packer brisket. You want one in the 10-12 pound range. When you get it home you are going to want to trim off a lot of the fat. I like to leave about 1/4" of fat all over the cap, some people like a little more, some people like a little less. It's also a good idea to mark you brisket at this time. What you do is square of a bit of the skinny flat, cutting perpendicular to the grain. This will let you know which way the grain runs and how to cut once it is done. It can sometimes be hard to tell when the black barky meat comes out.

    Next you're going to rub it with your favorite rub. Brisket tends to do better with rubs that are higher in salt than sugar (pork tends to work better with sweeter rubs). Here is one close to what I use:

    60g Salt
    50g Sugar
    30g Black Pepper
    15g Paprika
    10g Lemon Powder
    10g Worcestershire Powder
    7g Garlic Powder
    5g Mustard Powder
    5g Cayenne

    I don't inject or marinate my briskets.

    At the point you smoke it until it's done. You're looking for an internal temperature of 185-190. I'm a big proponent of smoking the meat fat side down and not turning or touching it all during the cook. I also believe brisket should be cooked over oak. Pecan, cherry, apple, and peach are good to mix with the oak, but oak is best.

    Once it hits the temp you want to remove it from the smoker and let it rest. You basically have two options. The first is wrap it in foil and let it sit for at least 30 minutes. The second is to wrap it in foil and put it in a beer cooler for a couple of hours (if you preheat the cooler you can actually hold the brisket for about 4 hours). Then you want to remove the point from the flat. Slice the flat against the grain (remember the mark we made?) about the width of a pencil. With the point you can either slice (this can be hard), chop or pull it, or cut it into chunks. If you chunk it, put it back on the smoker for a few hours to make burnt ends. You should also have a lot of juice left in your foil after the rest. Don't lose this. Pour it back over the meat after you slice it.

  • How Do I Get a Steak Charred on the Outside and Juicy inside?
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    The key is too cook at two different temperatures. The amount of juice the meat looses during cooking is dependent almost entirely on the internal temperature of the meat. If you are shooting for a juicy medium rare (130F), your goal is to have as much of the meat at that temperature as possible. Any section over that temperature is going to loose a higher proportion of the juice. This chart will show the weight loss versus temperature of a steak: http://www.seriouseats.com/images/20100303-sous-vide-steak-chart.jpg. All of that weight is water, which is juice.

    The ideal way to accomplish this is to sous vide the steak. You put it in a bag under a vacuum and cook it in a 130F water bath. I understand that this is probably something you aren't interested in.

    There is a way that can get you close though and is perfectly doable on your gas grill. The first step is to salt the meat. For the best results salt the meat on both sides, then put it on a rack uncovered in the fridge overnight. When you plan to cook, take it out and leave it at room temperature for 30-40 minutes. If you can't do this, take the meat out of the fridge, salt it, and let it sit at room temperature for at least 40 minutes (don't try to shorten the time).

    While your steak is sitting get your grill ready. What we want to do is put your grill at the lowest setting possible. Somewhere around 300F is good, but if you can get it to like 200-250F you'll be better. Put the steak on there and cook it until you get it up to about 120F as an internal temperature. Take the steak off the heat and keep it somewhere warm. Now the goal is to get your grill as hot as possible. Crank all the heat to high, put the lid on, and move the grates as close to the heat source as you can. Let it heat for 10 minutes or so. Pat the steak dry and put it over the hottest part of the grill and sear both sides to your liking. It shouldn't take more than a minute or two. During this time your also going to raise the internal temperature up to about 130F.

    Now that you're done, let the meat rest for at least 10 minutes (longer if your steak is thicker than 1.5"). If you have a handy dandy infrared thermometer, you want the surface to be around 120F before you slice.

    This should work for you, but there are some caveats. Depending on how well done you like your steak (if you're cooking it over 135F I might come and take it away from you though), how quickly your grill heats, and how hot your grill gets; you may need to take the initial cook either higher or lower than 120F. The same steps can be accomplished using an oven and a cast iron pan (and I think the results are better that way too).

  • How do I learn to like organ meats?
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    HI Christina,

    My first thought is in the form of another question. Should we try and teach ourselves to like a particular food? I know that may not to be root for your question, but the thought came to mind. ( I am not crazy about tripe myself) That said, I believe that texture, the idea of what the function of these parts are and the more unfamiliar and "fresh" flavors of these parts play a roll in our taste buds enjoying something or not. "Liking" something or not when it comes to a particular food begins with our eyes, then our brain and lastly our buds. I am sure you have enjoyed pate that of course often contain organ meats. The texture and flavor are somewhat masked by all the spices and fat. Not cheap, because of the labor involved if someone else made it for you, and not that healthy because of the fat. You challenged your self quite a bit by attempting beef liver. I soak liver and most organ meats in milk overnight. This will draw out impurities and tone down the game-like flavor that you may not be used to. One thing about liver. If its not crispy on the outside, I don't care for it either. Non crispy... tastes, feels...well, like liver. A classic sauce for liver, is a mustard and shallot cream sauce (don't forget the sauteed onions piled on top) pan seared with a nice crispy out side. (I am not sure if it was the texture or flavor that bothered you most) All these delicious components, make for a nice tasty dish. That's liver. For the other organ meats, if you want to acquire a taste for gizzards, heart, kidney etc...these start off a little more dense than liver. Let me suggest that you slice or dice the organs on the small side small, sautee in garlic, shallots rosemary, fresh thyme. Sear crispy, splash a little wine in that pan, swirl in a little mustard and splash of vinegar. Season with S&P and toss on to some heart greens such as frisee, add a poached egg and you may learn to like it.

  • Where is the cheapest butcher shop?
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    Dong Hing (south side of Jackson between 11th & 12th, 1 block east of Van's Groceries, which is your budget produce option) is the cheapest I've found. I've been out of the country for a couple months, but as I recall pork is generally under $2/lb (cheap cuts under a dollar), flank steak between $2 and $3/lb, oxtails @ $2.39/lb. They also have a good seafood selection and hard to find shit (like "beef pizzle", which, yes, is cock). Chicken and duck are dirt cheap. I've seen the county hygiene people there doing their routine inspections a couple of times, and things seem in order.

    That said, only slightly more expensive but with better quality, my favorite spot is Lam's. East about half a block from 12th on the south side of King, off the parking lot behind the decaying yellow house. I don't recall if the butcher is onsite, but shit's fresh. I paid 2.99/lb for the biggest, fattiest oxtails I've ever had there. Sear them and braise them with wine and stock for a couple hours. My god. Anyway.

    And if you want decent chorizo for cheap, the carniceria on 14th & Jackson is the best place I've found.

  • Smokin' your own meat
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    We've got a Cameron Smoke n' Fold. It's a cheapo little smoker that's easy to throw in the truck and do up some salmon etc. at a family shindig. It's not very large, and it doesn't get very hot (maybe 165 degrees), so it takes longer to smoke than other/more expensive smokers. I'd also recommend a half hour or so of oven time post-smoking for chicken and fish, just to make sure they're done through. That said, this little aluminum box creates magical things. It's time-consuming, but so SO worth it. We've smoked everything in it, from brisket to marshmallows. And wood chips are dirt cheap and available all over the damn place (hardware stores, Big 5, etc.)

    As a hidden bonus, the smoker acts like a giant version of one of those car air freshener trees. My vehicle smells like hickory/apple potpourri most of the time. I had the smoker in my truck when I got new tires put on last year, and three guys in the shop had ordered smokers online by the end of the day, the smell was that good.

  • Is lamb humanely treated?
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    Sheep have it better, for sure. They need the grass to graze, which is also why it is more expensive and less available. Land takes money. Very different from feed lots for cows and pig farms where they are raising these animals in smaller and smaller areas to increase their profits. Commercial beef cattle are primarily not given the opportunity to graze as they are fed corn and corn product, something that makes them and us sick. Most (not all) cows you see on farms "grazing" are dairy cattle.

  • What is the best way to prepare a corned beef brisket at home?
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    I like to prepare mine from scratch, but that's not really necessary. If you want a good recipe for it, look in Charcuterie by Micheal Ruhlman. Once it's cured, you need to cook it. Don't boil it! If you have a pressure cooker large enough, that's the best way. If not, cook it in a roasting pan in the oven, partially covered at about 250F. This will take 3 or 4 hours to become tender. Once it's tender, do not remove it from the liquid. Let it cool to room temperature in the liquid, and then refrigerate while still in the liquid overnight. Then you can slice and serve. Either reheat it, or keep it cold.

  • Must feathers be removed before cooking game birds? Why?
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    Let me tell you a story about a holiday many years past at the Griffin family home.

    Dad Griffin is a hunter, so dinner was to be a wild turkey. Young Brother Griffin demanded to be allowed to cook said wild turkey for the family feast. Dad Griffin had plucked his turkey when he processed it for the freezer, but he had not removed the pin feathers from the bird before he froze it, figuring that he would do so when we were going to eat the bird.

    Young Brother Griffin neglected to pluck/singe off the hairlike pin feathers that coated the turkey before he roasted it. He also neglected to realize that wild birds aren't nearly as fatty and moist as domestic birds, and so he roasted the creature as though it were a Butterball. Young Brother Griffin thus presented to the table a wild turkey that was burned, dried out, and covered in nasty burned pin feathers that looked like hair. It looked horrible and was practically inedible. I went out for Chinese after that "meal." Young Brother Griffin hasn't been allowed to cook holiday meals for the family since.

    That's why you want to remove the feathers--so you don't serve your guests hairy-looking birds.

    The easiest thing to do with game birds is skin them, taking the feathers and skin off at one stroke, but then you have to lard them before cooking or cook them in liquid so they don't dry out. If you want the skin, first scald the bird in boiling water to loosen the feathers (and please do this step outside, because it will stink to high heaven). Then, pluck the bird of most of the feathers, and finally remove pin feathers either with pliers (if there are few) or with a propane torch (if there are a lot--if you do this, also do it outside).

    One last thing--don't skin your birds until you get home. Game wardens need to see feathers to identify species.

  • Where can I find currywurst in Seattle?
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    My understanding is that the currywurst available here pales in comparison to Berlin.

    However, yes, you can find it at Feierabend (in South Lake Union), Prost! on Phinney Ridge, or any other restaurant owned by the same folks.

    The People's Pub in Ballard also has currywurst.

  • Where can I buy non-factory farmed meat in Seattle?
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    Go to Rain Shadow Meats! They are great—excellent sourcing, really nice, will guide you to good values if you're on a budget...

    Regarding Bill the Butcher: Here's some info on them with a link to another story. I understand they're labeling a lot more of their product now, but the nominal Bill has reportedly departed the company... it's all been a little too peculiar for my taste.

  • Is there a better burger place than Dick's?
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    My favorite is Red Mill Burgers on Phinney Ridge in Seattle. They have some cool out of the box burgers (red onion jam--mmm...)and yes on bacon and malts.

    I am late to discovering Zippy Burgers in West Seattle (in Delridge area); closer to White Center than West Seattle proper). Love them!

    I know there are a lot of Dick's loyal fans out there. Must be because they always look busy when I drive by. But for me it ranks at the bottom of the non-chain burger places. I wonder if nostalgia has something to do with its popularity. Can't figure it out.

    BTW Zippy's is not a gourmet burger, unlike Red Mill. Zippys is inexpensive, burger size is generous. Bacon and malts? Check, check.

    My partner votes for Kidds. Not on my list, but now you have a 2-in-1 POV :-)

  • Where's a good place to get chorizo?
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    I got some fantastic chorizo at Rain Shadow Meats (in the Melrose building) a while back.

  • Is it safe to eat the leftover egg from breading?
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    Thoroughly cooked, like dry scrambled, should be fine as I see it.

    We have to stop meeting like this.
    How is the knee?

  • What is the proper way to render duck fat?
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    The trick with cooking a duck breast is to be patient. Score the fat side by cutting a cross-hatch pattern in the fat only (don't cut into the flesh, this helps the fat release or be "rendered" from the breast). Season with salt and pepper and spices of your choice on both sides.

    Turn the heat to high on your pan (cast iron or other sturdy pan is recommended). Add a teaspoon of a high heat oil such as canola. Add duck breasts to the pan fat side DOWN. Turn the heat down to medium-low and allow the fat to slowly render out of the breast - it should take about 10-15 minutes. Be patient. You want to slowly crisp the skin while a good deal of the fat should seep into the pan. When the skin is crisped and the fat rendered out, flip the breasts and cook for only 2 minutes or so on the other side for a medium-rare breast (recommended). Meanwhile strain the fat through a sieve and keep in the refrigerator or freezer to use for your roasted potatoes (and many other uses).

    Let the duck breasts rest on a plate for 10 minutes to reduce loss of juices when you slice, slice thin and serve.

  • How do I deal with ham hocks?
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    1) Commercial ham hocks are generally going to look all the same. If you find them offensive but still want porky flavor, find yourself a ham bone instead--you'll get the flavor and some of the gelatin, but no meat and just a femur. Ask your butcher, or buy a country ham and harvest your own hock from that--hocks freeze well.

    2) Hocks are usually smoked to the point of being precooked when you buy them. The skin is full of gelatin and collagen, so leave it on until you are done simmering and then remove it when you pull the hock out so you get that nice silky mouthfeel.

    3) I haven't found much point of doing more to smoked ham hocks or country ham ends than dumping them in, as they're already quite strongly flavored. If for some reason you have a fresh hock, go ahead and roast/smoke/grill it before tossing it in to your soup. Cook it in your dish until the whole mess is done, then fish out the hock, allow it to cool enough to handle, peel off the skin if desired, and remove the bone.

    4) After deboning and peeling, either pull off the softer bits (meat) by hand and put them back in the soup, or dice the whole mass up and toss it in. My family did the latter, but then again, Mom's from near St. Louis and snout sandwiches were sometimes on the menu, too, so we were used to the chewy bits.

    All of this is predicated on long, low temp cooking. Ham hocks are good in beans and chili, and essential in stewed collard greens. Embrace and enjoy them for what they are--part of nose-to-tail eating.

  • how do I bone a turkey?
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    You can debone a turkey, but I wouldn't recommend it to someone who has never deboned poultry before if you want it to be pretty. It's tricky and requires practice, but here's some step by step instructions with photos. I strongly recommend practicing with a chicken first.

    Even better that a completely deboned bird is a spatchcocked one, which is a bird that has all its bones except the spine, and it is then laid flat so it cooks faster. Flattening the bird decreases the cooking time, and the way the wings fold over the breast meat protects it from high heat. Here's Martha Stewart's method. You can then roast the bird or even grill roast it. Caveat: unless you have a truly gargantuan roaster pan, use a small turkey or it won't fit.

    Good luck!

  • Rotisserie Goat
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    I'd say go for medium rare to rare with your goat leg, but cooking time is going to depend on how hot you cook it. Most recipes I've found say 375 for 15 min/lb, some with a high-heat start to develop crust. Treat it like lamb and use a meat thermometer and you should come out OK.

    Or, I just found this recipe.

  • Any uses out there for leftover turkey fat?
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    Congratulations! You just made a batch of (probably non-kosher) schmaltz!

    You can use your rendered poultry fat as the lubricant for sautees and other pan cooking. If you're really adventurous, confit some bird legs and add your schmaltz to the fat. Use it as the fat in a batch of crackers or noodles and you'll have homemade chicken in a biscuit.

    Or, if you have a dog or know one, make the fat into doggy treats and you'll have at least one Xmas present out of the way.

  • How can I survive until it is official turkey dinner time?!?
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    OMGDuh - U can haz cheezberger. ;)

    real A: Use patience, young padawan. The light side of the force is for knowledge, defense, never for attack or gluttony.
    Healthy, non-filling snacks are the way to help: baby carrots are my go-to waiting-for-mealtime snack.

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  • Comment on AmyS's answer…
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    Of course they can. I run our microbiology lab in our USDA inspected slaughterhouse. I was only pointing out that the common misconception that spoilage & pathogenic were one in the same. They are not. Our dry aging of beef uses peer reviews showing significant log reduction of paths as one of our many intervention steps.

  • Comment on AmyS's answer…
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    Spoilage bacteria and harmful bacteria can coincide on the same piece of meat. Whether they've been "crowded out" is not something you can tell without testing.

  • Comment on AmyS's answer…
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    Pathogenic bacteria has no smell or warning signs. It is the spoilage bacteria (which are not pathogenic) that causes the meat to look, feel, smell, and taste bad.

  • Comment on AmyS's answer…
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    Salmonella and Ecoli are examples of the harmful pathogens I was mentioning. They have been shown to be crowded out by spoilage bacteria. Spoilage bacteria is not harmful. Just tastes bad. Pathogenic bacteria such as Salmonella (some strains) & E-coli (some strains) are harmful.

  • Comment on AmyS's answer…
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    With meat and dairy products, spoilage organisms aren't your only concern. Salmonella is not uncommonly found on chicken meat. E. coli on beef. That said, both of these organisms aren't much of an issue if you cook the meat well and fully (no pink).

  • Comment on Kip Waddle's answer…
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    I should have been more specific in my question too. It was equally as much about laziness as safety and quality of final product. Sounds like we reached a good conclusion notwithstanding my lack of clarity. I browned it first, it turned out yummy. Thanks all!

  • Comment on Kip Waddle's answer…
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    Ah. Excellent point. I read that too narrowly.

  • Comment on Kip Waddle's answer…
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    I should have been more specific in my answer. In re-reading the question it looks like I was referring only to the safety issue. By "not hot enough to cook the meat right" I was in part referring to the unpleasant way ground beef turns out when boiled without browning first. I still would never put raw hamburger in a crock pot, no matter how safe it is. It will be rubbery and floating in fat.

  • Comment on Kip Waddle's answer…
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    Not exactly.

    A properly functioning crock pot will, in nearly all cases, cook food safely without pre-cooking the meat. The operating temp should be above 180F or so. As long as it comes up to heat quickly, and for the appropriate amount of time it's fine.

    However, they sometimes don't or people don't check with a thermometer. Pre-cooking ensures safety.

  • Comment on pickled ginger's answer…
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    Well, I'll take your word for it, and better safe than sorry when it comes to ground meat. Perhaps at some point we'll see some additions to the official recommendations.

  • Comment on pickled ginger's answer…
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    Well, there is almost no literature about crock pots specifically. It really comes down to temperature and the fact that ground meat products tend to have higher and more dispersed bacterial loads. The thing is that there are quite a few variables to take into account when considering the safety of slow cooked foods: initial temperature, initial bacterial load, max temp, time to max temp, volume, type of bacteria, etc, etc. Generally you will be safe with a standard slow cooker recipe, but to ensure safety you need to cook the meat. (On a culinary note, I think pan searing meat can enhance flavor during subsequent cooking. This is just hearsay though...)

    I have a degree in medical microbiology and a lot of experience in bacterial pathogenesis and ecology. So I base much of this off experience. However, I dug up a few things that may be useful. They are a bit dense though...

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19722409
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22221355
    http://bit.ly/zzS0uR
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21535695

  • Comment on pickled ginger's answer…
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    Do you have any sources for these? After I saw the question yesterday I started looking; I couldn't find anything other than the above, which didn't state browning was necessary, and unreliable forum posts and about.com and such. I'd love to find something more reputable.

  • Comment on pickled ginger's answer…
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    Actually you really should. Internal temp for ground beef should be 165, but if you slowly heat it to temp over 10ish hours in a crock pot, it can be risky. It does, however depend on the temperature of your slow cooker.

    If it is too low, all the bacteria will eventually be killed, but they will have had the chance to grow in a very cozy environment for a very long time. Some Ecoli and the related shigella (and many others) will be mass producing toxins that won't be denatured by the heat.

    You won't likely get any infection, but shiga-toxin will fuck up your day pretty bad. It can even be fatal.

    Chicken is less likely to cause distress as the primary infectious agent, salmonella, isn't nearly as toxigenic as beef bacteria. And, as with most whole cuts, the bacteria are on the outside.

    That said, the number one source of bacterial infections in the summer in the US is from undercooked chicken due to the bacteria campylobacter.

    bon appetit

  • Comment on Kip Waddle's answer…
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    Blam. Not the answer I wanted, but the answer I needed. Thanks Kip. Enjoy the shroom. PS - the new avatar is boss. Well played sir, well played.

  • Comment on RacerX's answer…
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    I've heard about Pecos for years, and it smells divine, but I've refused to go there because of their hours (M-F, lunch only). Not very accommodating unless you work in the area and get a traditional lunch hour.

  • Comment on KittenKoder's answer…
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    @LMNOP: My guess. From her posts, she doesn't really take a lot of interest in the people around her, or understand why they feel a lot of things.

  • Comment on KittenKoder's answer…
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    Because we owe them a clean death. It's kinda the least we can do. If no one asks, then no one makes changes. For instance, Wendy's has a humane slaughter policy - who knew? And you can kill humanely - go kill something, like a chicken. Do it inhumanely. Then do it (with a different chicken) humanely. There is a difference. Then eat it. You will feel differently about the meal knowing in what manner it died.

  • Comment on internet_jen's answer…
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    well, why else the phrase -- "brown chicken, brown cow!"

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
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    Sounds like you want the meat of a bantam. Someone has to be producing that.

  • Comment on RacerX's answer…
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    Wish I could! I live in a tiny studio and probably wouldn't do so well sharing my space with meat birds, unfortunately!

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
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    I couldn't quite put my finger on why I didn't like my CGH, but Fnarf pretty much described it for me.

    Also, I love dark meat.

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    Min-wage_small

    I'm just starting to eat meat again after a long time so it's been awhile since I ate a CGH. I am planning on roasting a couple as soon as it gets cooler to see if I like them.

    I was just at the West Seattle PCC and checked their meat section - they had a few smaller chickens, maybe 4 lbs each? Organic or free range.

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    Gary_numan_500_small

    Fnarf, those McVities Dark are insanely delish. I get mine at Cost Plus. They are also insanely priced, but oh so worth it from time to time...

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    Not all chickens are created equal. CGHs are "all white meat" which defeats the purpose of eating chicken if your purpose in eating chicken is eating dark meat. Also, the ones I've had had what was to me an unpleasant texture, too soft and grainy, and little flavor. Frankly I'd rather eat KFC (tumors and all).

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    You guys know Cornish hens are chicken, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornish_game_hen

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    I had a Cornish game hen for the first time at Christmas last year, and I wasn't impressed. I devoured it like a good guest does, but there was something about the flavor that made not want to eat one again, certainly not when there's chicken available.

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    You don't know discipline until you've seen Mrs. Fnarf stand in the "British Foods" aisle staring directly at the McVities Dark Chocolate Digestive Biscuits for ten minutes and not buying them. I'm not generally allowed to go into fancy stores like that because I always come out with several little jars of things that cost $11 each. Look! Truffle-oil waffle candies! Habañero bacon bits! Cheese made from shrimp milk!

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    0prr6_small

    Not to mention every other item in the store that is overpriced. It takes a lot of discipline to only buy the chicken.

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    Gold-head_small

    Oh, but going all the way to MM is dangerous, because of their proximity to Silver Platters and Easy Street, which cause money to fly out of my account at the slightest touch!

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    0prr6_small

    Metropolitan market sells free-range chickens at 3 -4lbs for under $6.