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Earthquake!
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Could it happen here? Why, yes it could.
Jonathan Golob of The Stranger's Dear Science Column and  Bruce Schoonmaker of Earthquake Prepared is on deck to answer your questions.

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  • If a tsunami/quake hits the OR/WA coasts, what kind of damage is expected if it is like the 1700 quake/tsunami? Will people have time to escape?
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    In Seattle a tsunami from the coastal earthquake should be pretty subdued because of the damping effect of the Sound. However along the coast it will be a different story.

    The next time you are at the beach you should ask the question, "If the big subduction zone earthquake hit now, what would I do?" Outline a strategy beforehand.

    After the shaking stops there will be about fifteen to twenty minutes to get to higher ground before the tsunami hits. Along most of the Washington coast there is high ground within reach. However, twenty minutes is not much time, so do not spend time grabbing valuables. Head for the hills!

    The Japanese quake had a 12+ meter tsunami in places. We could expect as much on the coast. The average telephone pole is about 20 feet tall. Try to get at least two telephone poles height above high tide. In some places even that might not be high enough.

    Lowlands will be inundated. Houses and other buildings will be destroyed.

    For those planning a vacation at a NW beach, required reading should be: http://www.ess.washington.edu/tsunami/index.html.

    It may not be so easy in places like Ocean Shores, Westport and Long Beach. Even though the tsunami evacuation routes are clearly marked, only the first ones in line will make it out in a worst case scenario. And that assumes the bridges are still intact.

    For accounts of what happened during the tsunami in Chile in 1960: http://pubs.usgs.gov/circ/c1187/
    This gives accounts of what did and did not work to survive.

    So, enjoy your next beach holiday!

  • Why can't Fukushima get worse than Chernobyl?
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    "Is Fukushima worse than Chernobyl?" is a bit like asking "Are the Mariners a bigger disaster than the Seahawks?" Both are disasters, but in different ways.

    First, let's acknowledge the similarities.

    Both the Chernobyl disaster and the Fukushima disaster have resulted in radioactive elements leaking out of containment, into the environment. We know very little--at this time--how much radioactive material has leaked out of the Fukushima complex; for Chernobyl we have some information.The Iodine-131 that leaked out of the Chernobyl disaster has been blamed for about 4000 incidents of Thyroid cancer--primarily in children who ate radioactive iodine-contaminated milk, from cows that ate the Iodine-131 that leaked from Chernobyl.

    Now, the differences:

    Unlike after Chernobyl--and despite this event occuring in the context of a much larger disaster--for Fukushima, those most at risk of injury from Iodine-131 are being provided non-radioactive iodine in pill form, to protect against this possible injury.

    The Chernobyl plant had a design that resulted in rapid failure (in the matter of seconds) when the coolant water was lost. In contrast, the Fukushima reactors failed slowly, over the course of hours and days--allowing time for emergency responders to anticipate and prepare for the concequences of the failures. At Chernobyl, only one reactor (in a complex of several) failed. At Fukushima, several reactors have failed, and there is the added (and potentially more serious problem) of damage to nuclear waste storage pools.

    Due to a terrible flaw in the Chernobyl reactor design, a massive explosion distributed the leaking radioactive elements over a gigantic geographic area--including most of Western Europe, aside from the Iberian peninsula. In contrast, the Fukushima explosions have been comparatively tiny, steam explosion and hydrogen gas fires.

    While damaged, the Fukushima reactors have both primary and secondary containment buildings to help block or slow the leaks into the environment. Chernobyl had no such containment buildings, with one hastily constructed by workers subjected to high radiation levels.

    The Fukushima disaster a terrible accident, with short- and long-term concequences for those who live around the plants. Until more information comes out, and we know if the struggles ongoing at the plant succeed in containing the radiation, we won't know how to compare the ultimate effects of this disaster to those in the past.

  • If the richter scale is inaccurate beyond 6.0, what should we be using to measure the magnitude of large earthquakes?
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    Just to expound a little more, the Richter magnitude is a measure of the intensity of the ground motion (i.e. the shaking) of an earthquake, whereas the Moment magnitude is a measure of the total energy released in a quake.

    When they devised the Moment magnitude scale to replace the Richter scale, they intentionally made it so the scale was similar in the mid-ranges where most noteworthy earthquakes occur. I think essentially all earthquake information is given in Moment these days, but since the numbers stayed similar, some members of the media perhaps haven't picked up on this.

  • Does the sediment/earth really become liquid-like during an earthquake or does it just seem like it?
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    Fill sandy soil does has not packed efficiently when deposited unlike that which has been laid down over geologic time and via transport by water so the vibrations of the earth movement cause it to move and flow like liquid. You can see a similar effect when playing with cornstarch and water slurry. Left to sit you can push down hard and it will support your hand, shake it and it will move and pour like a liquid.

    A similar effect is what happens to the flowing soil/sand/rock debris in a lahar where the material acts like a viscous liquid in movement and then turns to a solid when the flowing motion stops.

  • How does Seattle's earthquake area compare to Wasatch Valley's?
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    Not too personal at all! The Wasatch front is a real seismic hazard but it differs significantly from Seattle's. In Utah the predominant seismic hazard is from the range-bounding "normal" fault that runs all along the front and right through Salt Lake City. ("normal" here being geological jargon denoting a fault that is a dipping plane, with the block on top slipping down relative to the block on the bottom--like gravity was driving it.) Big normal faults create the beautiful mountains and valleys all across the Basin and Range, with the Sierra Nevada on the west and the Wasatch on the east moving ever so slowly apart.

    The Wasatch fault breaks in chunks that give rise to earthquakes in the M7+ range. Here's an image I stole from the USGS, showing the most recent breaks along the front according to geologists.

    The overall level of hazard is a bit less than that of Seattle. The USGS National Seismic Hazard Maps provide gobs of detail. Here's a quick overview in which reds are bad and greens good (as usual!) that gives you an intuitive feel for the distribution of hazard in the western US.

    Now this specific map represents a level of a specific frequency of ground shaking that can be expected with a probability of 2% in 50 years. This convoluted way of looking at things ends up being useful for planners, although it seems confusing to us mortals.  But think of it like a weather map showing the likelihood of strong rain, for example. You're more likely to get shook in Seattle over any 50 year period, then you are in Salt Lake. But both are pretty high.

    The difference in Seattle is diversity [Gee, who would have thought Seattle to be more diverse than Salt Lake City?]. The potential earthquake sources that contribute to Seattle's high hazard level include M9 megaquakes on the subduction interface out to the west of the city, deep earthquakes (like the 2001 Nisqually earthquake ) in the downgoing sea-floor slab, and crustal faults (like the Seattle Fault that runs right through the city). While the chance of an earthquake from any of the three sources is fairly low (Well, the Nisqually-type source seems to have a rather high recurrence rate, given very similar events in 1949 and 1965 ), they all conspire to form a fairly hefty hazard here.

  • do you think the time and effort spent worrying about natural disasters is justified?
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    l'm having a discussion elsewhere about moral imperative and civil duty. l think it applies to this conversation.

    You're right that some people are waaayyy too neurotic about this; it's my opinion that if the thought of natural disasters truly affect one's quality of life, he should consider relocating somewhere that isn't prone to them.

    However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't take the necessary structural precautions and emergency contingency plans that will protect our numbers. Shit, were those in better place elsewhere, the aftermath of Katrina might have been far less horrifying.

    l take some issue with a 'there will always be casualties' argument. Casualties are a fact in the face of natural disaster, but as Emily Steed pointed out in my 'fire' thread, that doesn't mean that packing up a few necessities/valuables in case of emergency is overthinking it. l don't think that's what you're saying (at least, l hope not), l'm just addressing that point in case it is. At any rate, "a few are going to die anyway" isn't a solid argument; it both diminishes the value of protecting as many as possible, and implies that there's no point in doing anything when both death and survival are simply just inevitable. lf your apartment collapses, you may die, but if you don't, that whistle or little foghorn that you grabbed when the earth started shaking will probably save your life. You might be alive solely because of the emergency drills you practiced. ls preserving that worth the preparation? Hell, yes.

    This isn't Chicken Little, a completely irrational fear that the sky will fall. Geologically and statistically speaking, we'll have earthquakes whether we like it or not, and have little ones every day throughout Washington. lt's common sense to be ready, and the percentage of people who run around hollering about the sky falling is much smaller than those who make sensible preparations, and then do their best to survive when the big one hits.

    That said, the viaduct and certain other structures in Seattle are things that we can control in terms of keeping casualties to a minimum, and they need to addressed. This is not a case in which procrastination should be overlooked.

  • Will the Yellowstone super volcano kill us all if it erupts?
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    OK, you're asking a seismologist about a volcano and if any of my vulcanologist buddies read this I'll never hear the end of it...

    Let's clarify some obscure but important points. There are different kinds of volcanic eruptions, even at an individual volcanic center. At Yellowstone the most common kind of eruption is hydrothermal --superheated steam or water blasts out craters as large as half a mile across! But that isn't going to strongly affect the US. Magmatic (i.e. lava--molten rock -- the real stuff!) eruptions vary in the chemistry and physical properties of the magma they emit from soupy, runny, basalt like a Hawaiian volcano (picture lava flows running along the ground) to sticky chunky dry goobery gunk called rhyolite that can be as explosive as all get out. The commonest (i.e. most likely) eruptions are smaller ones, and caldera-forming super volcano explosions being the rarest. In fact. at Yellowstone the real bad boy explosions that frame the main point of your question occurred 2.1 million years ago and 1.3 million years ago and 0.64 million years ago. Based on average recurrence of these events, we are deep into a cycle and may only have to wait another 90,000 years for another. [I'm no statistician, but in order to actually answer your last question I just calculated a rough back-of-the envelope estimate of ~0.02% chance of a supervolcano eruption in 100 years, and I made some assuptions that make this rather a high-end estimate].

    The most likely eruption, either hydrothermal or magmatic, would NOT be a super volcano, but a regular-sized family-friendly volcanic episode. It would be big news. It would close the Yellowstone National Park. It would likely put a thin layer of volcanic ash all over the northern tier of states. It would disrupt the heck out of air traffic. But it would not kill us all, or wipe out our civilization. (too bad, some might say!)

    A supervolcano could be bad news, could disrupt agriculture downwind and could even affect global weather patterns (which actually could help forestall global warming?!). I still don't think it would come close to killing us all or wiping out the country.

  • Probability of Cascadia Subduction Zone Earthquake
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    Since there were no seismographs (and, even better, no seismologists!) around much more than a century ago, our evidence about how often Cascadia subduction zone earthquakes occur comes from what a lawyer might call "circumstantial evidence". Mostly, from tsunami deposits--characteristic sediments left behind when high tsunamis ran inland and left a layer of sand behind. Also from coastal tree stands in which the all the trees died at once, due to being submerged in saltwater as a result of deformation associated with a big event (and which we can date precisely using tree-rings).

    Chris Goldfinger, at Oregon State has shown that Cascadia earthquakes also cause submarine "turbidity currents" that are essentially mudflows that cascade down offshore canyons, and that can be sampled using sea floor coring devices, and the events dated. The size, or magnitude, of these ancient events may be related to how widespread the shaking was (and thus how widespread their resulting turbidite deposits are found). He's established a chronology of Cascadia subduction events that seems to indicate that the subduction zone is "segmented". He interprets the data as evidence that the southern portion tends to go off in relatively smaller earthquakes (M8-M8.5?) relatively frequently. But about half as often the entire margin breaks (like it did 310 years ago), from Cape Mendocino to Vancouver Island, in a walloping M9 earthquake. From a seismologist's perspective, I think these findings are all logical and make a sensible story. But since I'm not a geologist I retain a skeptical attitude about just how well one can identify the turbidites arising from individual earthquakes in different submarine channels.

    Ok, now for the probabilities. Yes the accepted 50-year probability of occurrence for a Cascadia Megaquake (sounds like something Hollywood would invent, no?) is generally regarded as 10%-15%. You could do worse than saying that if in any 500 year period I'm likely to have one M9 earthquake, then in 10% of that time interval (i.e. 50 years) I've got 10% chance of an M9. I know I know you think that a 50 year period starting at 450 years after the last earthquake will have a higher chance than one starting 100 years afterward. We call that "time dependent" probability, and it sounds grand. The problem is that you need to know a LOT about the variability of your "500 year events", or time-dependent probabilites don't do any better at forecasting likelihoods of earthquakes then the simple calculation we just did.

    Goldfinger's results indeed suggest that the likelihood of a strong southern Cascadia Subduction Zone earthquake is something like twice as high as for the northern part of the zone, which only breaks in great M9 beasts.

    Now for my answer to the triggering question: Not that I know of. While it is clear that stress changes and seismic waves from one earthquake can indeed cause other earthquakes to happen, simply not enough is currently known about how this works to enable us to guess how likely it is to happen with any particular earthquake. But my guess is that it is probably fairly rare since I'm not aware of any historical examples of subduction earthquakes being followed by a large crustal earthquake in the overriding plate (and I was looking for this after the 2004 Sumatra earthquake and last month's Chile earthquake).

  • Where is the Seattle fault?
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    First things first. Seattle need not worry about the San Andreas fault...it is way down in California and runs from Cape Mendocino south to near the Mexican border. Far away from us!

    Now, closer to home. A number of active fault zones are known or suspected. There is a (rather crude, but reasonable) map at: http://www.pnsn.org/INFO_GENERAL/puget_faults.html and to see it you can click here .

    Major actors include the Seattle Fault Zone that runs east-west just south of downtown, the Tacoma fault which runs through -- you guessed it, Iowa (no, just kidding--Tacoma), and the South Whidbey Island fault to the north of the Seattle Fault zone.

    And of course, do not neglect the subduction fault that lies buried 40 miles or so beneath us--but which is only seismically active to the west. (There's a nice image of the subduction zone here ). Along this fault the sea floor on the Juan de Fuca plate offshore is being driven beneath North America. Stress that arises from that process (known as "subduction") ends up driving all the earthquakes we experience. To learn a bit more about what those earthquake sources are, you can read up on them at:

    ht tp://www.pnsn.org/INFO_GENERAL/eqhazards.html

     

  • Could a significant earthquake set off Mt. Rainier?
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    I'm glad you don't suffer from those dreams now. When I was a kid I dreamed of wolves attacking my house and ... well, I digress.

    This is really a great question. And the proof is that some scientists say earthquakes can affect volcanic eruptions and some say no way . If we can't agree, then I guess I really have no right to give you a "yes" or "no" answer. Ok, enough of a disclaimer; now I can tell you what I think...

    There is some statistical evidence that there were more eruptions after large Chilean earthquakes in 1906 and 1960. But the mechanism by which this "triggering" might happen isn't clear. There's also lots of anecdotal evidence of particular eruptions following certain earthquakes. But such stories suggesting correlation are not entirely convincing, nor do they demand causality . However,  it sure seems plausible that shaking from seismic waves can jostles magma and make it move around--and rise toward the surface if it is so inclined. But it takes magma time to work it's way to the surface. So the difficulty in observing earthquake-triggered eruptions, then (according to me) is that there are likely to be variable delays between the triggering earthquake and the ensuing eruption. Drawing the connection between any given earthquake and some ensuing eruption is uncertain.

    I also think that as our capabilities to monitor both ground motion from earthquakes and the deformational processes that precede eruptions, we will be able to x-ray this whole process and answer this question concretely.

  • Would getting Earthquake Insurance Be Worth It?
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    Good question! I have to admit I'm not an insurance expert. I also have to admit that I don't carry earthquake insurance. For most of us who live in small wood-frame houses, earthquakes will generally not collapse or structurally compromise our homes. Usual damage will be cracked plaster and/or brick facing, and breakage of contents (your china collection may be decimated, and your liquor cabinet a crying shame...). Most insurance riders, as I understand it, have really high deductible amounts, so you don't see much benefit (if any) after a moderate shaking...which is the most likely.
    Serious problems, however, happen when structures are not properly tied to the foundation and the entire structure slips off. Or possibly when chimneys collapse. Or when a gas appliance (water heater, generally) tips over and an open flame catches the structure on fire. I think you are better off dealing with these problems directly, both financially and in peace of mind, rather than relying on insurance.
    Similarly, your home's contents can be protected by taking some simple precautions.
    Learn more about all of these issues at the website for CREW (the Cascadia Region Earthquake Workgroup:
    http://www.crew.org/home/homeowners.html

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  • Comment on Gregory Ritter's answer…
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    Sometimes, sometimes, I wish we as a people would only listen to experts. Because when you have rabble-rousers like this asshole who talks out of his ass about how this is the worst disaster ever... well it can cause people to die due to panic related hysteria.

    Thank you Gregory Ritter, for being an asshole.

  • Comment on Bruce Schoonmaker's answer…
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    Sage advice worth heeding.

  • Comment on Jonathan Golob's answer…
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    The experts on the BBC and Al Jazeera insisted that taking iodine tablets isn't effect beyond ten miles from the incident.

  • Comment on Cedarthvader's answer…
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    While I doubt there's any good reason not to feed your child nori, I don't think the naturally occurring levels of iodine in something like sea vegetables are going to have an effect in iodine-131 uptake. There's apparently been a run on iodized table salt in China, which also has no effect on radioactive iodine contamination. Might as well pee on a wildfire. Except, in the case of North Americans and Chinese, there's no wildfire to pee on.

    I mean no disrespect, but I find this "to be safe" line of reasoning to be pernicious. Putting up ineffective defenses against non-existent threats doesn't make anyone safer.

  • Comment on Gregory Ritter's answer…
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    I am not paid in any way to give these answers. I also don't have any friends or family employed in the nuclear industry. I am just a nerd who has had an interest in particle physics since I was a child. I am a best described as a hobbyist, not a professional.

    I do however work in computer network security and part of my professional life involves explaining risks and contingencies to people. Anyone in the security industry will tell you that humans are very poor at understanding statistics and risks. I sympathize for everyone who is freaking out, it is only human, but their opinions need to be brought to light immediately or they can spread panic and misinformation.

  • Comment on Cedarthvader's answer…
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    Yyou should be worried about a local earthquake much much more than nuclear radiation from Japan. If you are concerned about a disaster effecting your toddler enough to try and get iodine in the diet then you should be stockpiling food and water for the local earthquake that we know WILL happen.

  • Comment on Gregory Ritter's answer…
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    Packateer-

    I agree with you that Ritter is overstating the current situation. However, I want to clear something up: are you, in any way, being paid to provide these answers? Do you work in, or for, the nuclear industry, a public relations firm, a lobbying organization, or government agency?

  • Comment on Jack's answer…
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    Thanks, this is reassuring.

  • Comment on Gregory Ritter's answer…
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    Fukushima is not already worse than Chernobyl. Chernobyl released a significant amount of radiation into the atmosphere. That has not happened yet with Fukushima and it might not happen.

    The situation in Japan is concerning but it is in no way worse than Chernobyl. Please take your hysteria elsewhere and stick to the facts here.

  • Comment on Jonathan Golob's answer…
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    Another thing about iodine - it stopped being produced in these reactors when they turned off, basically, when the earthquake happened. There won't be much iodine even in the reactor itself within the month.

  • Comment on Packeteer's answer…
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    @Tom
    You are right that the spent fuel rods are probably more concerning right now. However you can to consider that the reason the spent fuel rods are the problem is that if that situation gets out of control the entire complex must be abandoned which means the fission reactors would melt down. I was writing above about the actual fission reactors melting down.

    Most things in this scenario are better than Chernobyl. The risk of the spent fuel rods turning into a criticality is "none zero" which means it could potentially happen but is unlikely.

    If it appears a criticality would happen with the spent fuel rods this can be prevented with human intervention. You could dump boron, graphite, water or other neutron absorbing material on the melted spent fuel cells. Boron is the better material because it is not flammable like graphite.

    Speaking of graphite, Chernobyl used graphite in the reactor which caused the fires to be much worse than what Fukushima could ever be.

  • Comment on Russ Campbell, NWEBS's answer…
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    I was just having this same conversation with my mother earlier this morning.

  • Comment on Russ Campbell, NWEBS's answer…
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    Of course, the KI industry thanks everyone for this economic stimulus. Don't worry they will make more. I assume there may also be a run on aluminum foil for making all of those foil hats that are also needed. This also has the added benefit of blocking aliens from reading your mind and keeping the CIA from beaming you instructions (or is it the other way around?).

  • Comment on Packeteer's answer…
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    That's just the reactor. However, what we're worried about are the coolant pools containing the spent fuel. Once exposed to air, the fuel rods could fall apart, with the uranium pellets falling into a pile that could go critical. What's better (or worse) about this scenario compared to Chernobyl?

  • Comment on Russ Campbell, NWEBS's answer…
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    Lots of people in my southern California hometown are all up in arms because the local health food store ran out of KI.

    Hilarious.

  • Comment on Packeteer's answer…
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    Thank you, that clears things up. So the possible (or likely) scenario at Fukushima is that the fuel rods will overheat to complete meltdown and workers will have to abandon the area until radiation levels subside enough to clean up. Is that about right? My concern has been that the inner containment structures will fail with the increased steam pressure, releasing radioactive material and steam. It seemed like that was a concern to scientists and media as well.

  • Comment on Kip Waddle's answer…
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    It is true that spent fuel is retained due to a failure to create a long term storage option.

    The pool in question in #4 (the biggest source of gamma radiation, currently) contains the entire off-loaded core, removed during maintenance.

    Moving the spent fuel off-site would not have prevented this current situation. It would have reduced the problem, though.

  • Comment on Kip Waddle's answer…
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    My understanding is that the storage area was originally meant to be just for coolant storage. After the reactors were built, people started to push back against the industries plans for nuclear waste dumps. The coolant reservoirs were repurposed as a place to store spent fuel. Had they not done this, the facility would have been safe in a power outage; the reactor itself doesn't require constant cooling when shut down.

  • Comment on Paul Bodin's answer…
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    When I lived a year in salt lake city, no one seemed to pay any attention to earthquake risk. I asked my boss, and his comment was, "Oh yeah, we're riddled with faults, but don't worry, if they slip, this old 18th century building will collapse around us and we'll all be wiped out." SERIOUSLY.

  • Comment on Bruce Schoonmaker's answer…
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    As a follow-up, King County Public Health is monitoring the situation and is making regular postings about it: http://www.kingcounty.gov/healthservices/health.aspx

  • Comment on Bruce Schoonmaker's answer…
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    That grammar page is lacking. Yes, "the Pacific Ocean", but never "the Lake Washington" or "the Elliott Bay" or "the Hammersley Inlet" or "the Hood Canal". I don't know why that is, but I know it's true.

  • Comment on Bruce Schoonmaker's answer…
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    Thanks for noticing. "The Puget Sound" does sound stilted. Almost no one uses an article before "Puget Sound," yet the grammar calls for it. reference: http://esl.about.com/od/thebasics/a/a_an_the.htm. Should I have used it? Probably not, since no one does in common parlance.

  • Comment on Bruce Schoonmaker's answer…
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    I bow to your superior knowledge, but please, please don't ever call it "the Puget Sound".

  • Comment on Bruce Schoonmaker's answer…
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    FTW!!!

    I remember in my Washington state history that Seattle has had a tsunami every 1000 years.

    "2 meters (6 feet) high on Elliott Bay"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Fault

  • Comment on protosaurus's answer…
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    Great answer and as you indicate so accessible to anyone just looking for it.
    The whole Richter Scale, as a term, is so misunderstood by the public in general that it is comical to hear the talking heads on TV discuss the numbers and further confuse the issue.

    A favorite cartoon of several years ago showed two lab coat wearing scientists peering into a large crack in the ground and one is saying to the other "I don't know, the Richter Scale is down there."

  • Comment on basmatic's answer…
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    Such a wave is termed a seiche. The water is displaced and sloshes back and forth within the confining land masses.

    The best way to demonstrate how this wave works is to fill a long flat pan near the rim and try to carry it somewhere. The water soon starts moving back and forth and sloshing up over the edge and spilling out.

  • Comment on so-so's answer…
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    SODO, abbreviation for SOuth (of) DOwntown area of Seattle, widely built on what was very low and wet area of old Seattle and made useable by bringing in lots of fill dirt and hence very prone to liguifaction effects in the right kind of seismic shaking.

    slightly different take on the name here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoDo,_Seattle

  • Comment on so-so's answer…
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    What's SODO?

  • Comment on Paul Bodin's answer…
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    I want to tell you just how much I'm enjoying this special feature Q&A on Questionland this week. Thank you SO much for participating!

  • Comment on freikja's answer…
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    The vast majority/tends to come down on thing:
    Depends where I'm standing and who I'm looking around at - Here on the Hill I think most of us bluestate queerish types aren't panicked by the cable news. 20 miles east or north or south, I might agree with basil...
    Looking at a census of the nation though...that could be hard call. The patriot act got passed, which seems proof Basil's right. But Obama is president on a Hope platform, which gives credence to Freikja's opinion that it's not the vast majority.
    Tell you what, I think Fre nails it when she says "more and more". The truth may be it's a liquid chrono-affected state: The fear needle is dialing down as time passes. The kool aid is stale.
    One caveat though: in that hypothetical census there's some folks scared to participate. THEY are exactly the types to be scared of bees, earthquakes, etc... and skew the results.

    http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QC-WORRY&Category_Code=QC

    and
    "he should consider relocating somewhere that isn't prone to them."
    That pretty much HAS to be Seattle, though... we've got one of the lowest serious-disaster rates don't we?