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Brett Stav, Sr. Planning & Dev. Seattle Public Utilities;  Tom Watson, EcoConsumer Program; Marcia Rutan,  Community Recycling, Green Schools; Tom Gannon, Sr.  Planner, Seattle Public Utilities.

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  • Comment on Tom Watson's answer…
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    Ah, okay. And thanks for doing my research for me, Tom! :-D

  • Comment on Tom Watson's answer…
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    Sorry about that. I just said it that way because different recycling programs accept different materials based on their markets, and there could be some program taking those that I don't know about (not likely though in this case).

    Since you mentioned CleanScapes in your reply,
    I did then double-check with them, and their programs (part of Seattle, and Shoreline) definitely do not take them.

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    Tom, thanks for pointing in our (ReBinder's) direction (supporting local is key as well). ReBinder's stuff (folders, 3 ring binders, cd sleeves, composition books, etc) are available through Complete Office, Keeney's, Goods for the Planet (on Dexter), online at Amazon.com, in the OfficeMax catalog a few other places around town. We'd love to help someone local use our products if we can! 206.432.8020 - a real human answers in 30 seconds during business hours.

  • Comment on Marcia Rutan's answer…
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    All landfills should capture that methane and use it. Just sayin'

    re:plastic. http://m.gizmodo.com/5454119/clay+-and-water+based-hydrogels-possible-alternative-to-plastic

    would you consider that a viable alternative given cost and pollution involved in recycling plasticbottles?

  • Comment on Tom Watson's answer…
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    Thanks, Tom. I guess I was hoping for a bit more than "as far as I know." I probably should call CleanScapes directly.

  • Comment on Lee's answer…
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    That's not what I got out of it. The study is using toilet paper as an example of something that is largely manufactured out of recovered waste paper. It posits that thermal paper is likely the culprit for the high BPA levels in toilet paper because that is where BPA mostly enters the paper production cycle. They conclude that composting paper (which you recommended in your answer to this question) was not advisable.

    Here's the specific language of the conclusion:
    "Toilet paper was shown to being an important source of xenoestrogen emissions to wastewater. Thermal paper again is estimated being a major source for the contamination of recycled paper with BPA. Thermal paper represents a very small portion of the entire paper production but due to its extremely high BPA content it certainly mainly causes BPA input into the paper cycle. Because of the distinct contamination with the xenoestrogens OP, NP, BPA, NP1EO, and NP2EO, paper waste as well as recycled paper products should not be mixed with biological waste in order to derive organic fertilisers, e.g. via co-composting or co-fermentation."

  • Comment on Brett Stav's answer…
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    That's a much better answer.

    what do our recycling facilities do different than others to cut back on the pollutants created by the process? What pollutants still make their way out and what is being done to reduce this?

    just for the sake of full disclosure, I recycle just because, but I find that the best discussion and information is brought about when the question is posed in a position of dissent.

  • Comment on Lee's answer…
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    The German study you cite doesn't really look into the recycling and composting process and how it effects thermal paper. It primarily focuses on how BPA is in toilet paper and , and toilet paper gets in the sewer, therefore getting into the ecosystem.

    It deserves further looking into. For now, I'm going to keep recycling my receipts, and consider installing a bidet in my bathroom.

  • Comment on Brett Stav's answer…
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    You're jumping to a few conclusions, and I'm guessing you've seen Penn & Teller's hilarious "Bull$hit" episode on recycling.

    I love their bit about "recycling saves trees the same way not eating potatoes saves potatoes." However, there are environmental costs to doing everything, including tree farming. And how many more tree farms or virgin forests would we need to tap into if we didn't recycle paper? A lot!

    I agree that recycling doesn't work everywhere, mainly, due to transportation costs associated with transferring the waste to a recycling facility. (By the way, imagine the cost of shipping our garbage to that 35-mile wide imaginary landfill, let alone the process and cost of siting it.)

    I do agree that making some products from recycled material probably does create a larger footprint than landfilling them, at least now, using today's technologies.

    However, in Seattle, recycling works, primarily because we have state of the art recycling and composting facilities a stone's throw away from here, and our landfill is the next state away, and we're GOOD AT IT. Seattle homeowners recycle nearly 70% of their waste!

    We're also a port and rail city that allows us to easily ship our recyclables to markets all over the world. It's cost affordable and efficient. Economically, recycled aluminum, tin, paper, cardboard and PET plastic are highly valued in the recycling markets around the world.

    Recycling in Seattle is a good thing to do, but it's not the best thing you can do, solid waste-wise. The best thing to do is to shop local, shop for recycled-content or previously used products, and shop smart, not buying single-use, short-life products that you have to recycle or throw away in the first place.

  • Comment on Brett Stav's answer…
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    Are there any independent studies that would corroborate the EPA's claim?
    I do know that landfills do indeed generate a significant level of methane as the waste decomposes under anaerobic conditions (depending on moisture, temperature etc) and the vast majority (exact numbers, i don't know) of landfills are collecting that gas and using it to provide utilities to local towns and defer the cost of the landfill.

    you are spot on that aluminum cans are the way to go, aluminum is worth money and it makes economic and environmental sense. But plastics, glass, paper? Not so much.

    Recycling paper is actually bad for the environment. with all the transportation, chemical treatment and general recycling processes, the "carbon footprint" of recycling is far greater than them creating paper from virgin pulp made from trees grown specifically to make paper.

    They aren't cutting endangered forests to make paper.
    As well as paper, recycling plastic is far more detrimental to the environment.

    Recycling initially hit because everyone was concerned we were running out of landfill space. But that notion has been debunked numerous times.

    To put it into perspective, if we had a landfill that was 35miles on each side and 200 feet deep could hold 1000 years worth of americas trash. Obviously that would be a damn big landfill, that's just to put a meter on the trash situation.

    I think in generally we agree that recycling cans is good, I recycle aluminum. But should we all do our parts to help the environment by throwing everything else away.

  • Comment on Lee's answer…
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    Well, again, that study suggests that recycling thermal paper receipts is the problem - and in turn that this contaminates the whole paper supply to the point where you shouldn't composte paper.

    I agree about not asking for one, of course, but on the other hand I frequently tell people "bring me a receipt or we can't reimburse you." So, we're kind of back to the question, "what should I do to dispose of this in an ecologically sound way?"

  • Comment on Lee's answer…
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    Okey dokey. Better recycle your receipts, then, or better yet, not ask for one.

  • Comment on Lee's answer…
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    Okay, Brett, either you think I'm an idiot, or you're an idiot yourself. The composting process clearly does not evaporate all chemicals, or you would be left with nothing. Moreover, evaporation of BPA could still be an environmental hazard since, you know, it has to go somewhere.

    An actual answer to the concern raised by this paper would be information regarding the BPA content of the fully composted product that you use and sell as fertilizer.

    Since you didn't bother to read the paper I linked to, I'll point out one of the important points: it says the high content of xenoestrogens in the paper supply means paper shouldn't be composted. It further surmises that the high xenoestrogen levels are almost solely due to the practice of recycling thermal paper, since untreated paper does not contain these chemicals.

    I don't know if these claims are true, but telling me that composting "cooks off the chemicals" is contributing absolutely nothing to anyone's understanding of the issue. All it says it that you think the product you're selling is ecologically sound, and aren't concerned about evidence to the contrary.

  • Comment on Lee's answer…
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    Our composting facility "cooks" off chemicals in the process, but unless you use receipts like you would use shredded paper to line your yard waste cart, you might as well just recycle them.

    You can check out the high-tech composting process at www.cgcompost.com

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    This is exactly my concern. It's so chemically treated that I worried it couldn't be commingled with other paper products.

  • Comment on Marcia Rutan's answer…
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    I think that you can only compost kitchen paper towels that are soiled with food. I'll let the experts clarify this one...

  • Comment on Marcia Rutan's answer…
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    Could you explain the difference between a kitchen paper towel and a bathroom paper towel? Is it based on what is on those paper towels?

  • Comment on Tom Watson's answer…
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    Plastic bags can clog up the paper recycling equipment, so it would be better not to include those in the paper recycling.

  • Comment on Tom Watson's answer…
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    I don't think you will find a place to recycle it, but let me know if you do. Thanks!

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
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    PS - yes, wash them.

  • Comment on Marcia Rutan's answer…
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    When it comes to "Zoo Doo" I was, about 12 years ago, "the man". For everything else I would say Tom Watson is/was/will continue to be "the man".

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    I've always recycled ink-printed receipt paper, but I worried about whatever process thermal paper is treated with, and whether that process could make thermal paper non-recyclable.

    Thanks for your answer!

  • Comment on Brett Stav's answer…
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    OK, moisture content makes sense. If fall leaves aren't raked while they are wet in Seattle, then they would never be raked.

    In 2009, SPU collected 4 units weekly (16 units a month), right? Maybe I was spoiled by that.

  • Comment on Marcia Rutan's answer…
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    Which Tom? There appear to be two.

  • Comment on Brett Stav's answer…
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    That stuff loses it's moisture fast, and that's where all the weight is at. Plus, I'm guessing alot of folks do most of their yard waste work about 4 times a year.

    Actually, SPU gives you more service now than it used to. In 2008, SPU collected up to 4 units of yard waste every other week (8 units a month). Now, it collects up to 3 units weekly (12 units a month.)

  • Comment on Tom Watson's answer…
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    So should I just recycle it and hope for the best?

  • Comment on Brett Stav's answer…
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    220 lbs of yard waste per year? Really? We easily generate over 100 lbs of yard waste in a single week of weeding the yard or raking leaves in the spring or fall. What am I missing? Does that figure include apartments?

    Also, SPU used to allow one extra 32-gallon container of yard waste at no charge. But, as of Jan 1, it's $3.90. Why the extra charge?

  • Comment on Brett Stav's answer…
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    Hmm. Good question. They may be using the bin for "all recyclables" or just haven't picked it up yet. Talk to your building manager.

  • Comment on Tom Watson's answer…
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    What about the clear bags that magazines come in?

  • Comment on Marcia Rutan's answer…
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    I <3 Bio Bags! And the dog waste bio bags are BRILLIANT!