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It is wise to learn how to defend yourself. There are many ways to approach this, and many disciplines to consider. We have gathered some folks who teach Taekwondo, Karate, and general stretegies for how to carry yourself and recognize the warning sig...

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  • Aikido usefullness? Compare to Tae Kwon Do, pepper spray and gun.
    Sho_small

    'Other-Food & Drink'? Maybe "food for thought"...

    As to your hypothetical, I don't know. Too many unknown factors about you, your TKD friend, your mace-carrying friend, and the violent someone in the alley. Oh, and why you're all in the alley in the first place. As a guess, if you are all confident, keep your cool, have a plan and stick to it, and have a plan B just in case, you might all be okay.

    I have to say, though it happens all the time, I don't think anyone should shit on the art that someone else practices. It's rude, for one, and it typically comes from a place of insecurity and a need to cover for it with bravado. I get it, one-upper, you're a bad ass. You're also annoying. The rest of us aren't you, so quit expecting us to do things exactly like you do. Sigh.

    As for Aikido's usefulness in the real world, I've seen a couple of Aikido practitioners avoid things like hard falls to concrete. Nothing like those wheel techniques when you trip and fall on a slick street while running for your bus.

  • How do you deal with door-to-door missionaries?
    Kermitsex_small

    A friend of mine likes to say, "With a shotgun." Me, l go the cleaner route.

    About two summers ago, there was a virtual army of Jehovah's Witnesses that came through my apartment building anywhere from one to three times a week. This drove me up the fucking wall, because aside from the obvious, they (a) showed up at like 7am every freaking time, and (b) they would ring the doorbell incessantly until you answered it.  l live in a locked apartment building, but the stairwell gets so hot during summer that other tenants would prop the main door open to let air in, and apparently, even though it clearly had a buzzer and a 'no trespassing' sign, God took priority over that, and they would just walk in, and hit every single apartment there.

    The first few times, l informed them they were trespassing and l could legally have them removed from the property, hoping they would pass on the message to their freaky brethren and take our place off their route, but that didn't work.  So one early morning when they rang the doorbell, l put on my sluttiest robe, opened it in the front enough to reveal my cleavage, lit a cigarette, filled a wine glass with apple juice, and opened the door.  The two young men both took a small step back and looked a bit stunned before launching into their pitch.  l invited them to continue ("Sure, l wanna hear AAAALLL about the LORD!  l LOVE the LORD!"), and while they were talking, l downed my glass of apple juice in one go.  l instructed them to hold that thought while l refilled my glass - and when l returned, they were gone.

    Nobody in that building ever heard from them again.  Fucking surefire solution, and l haven't had a JW at my door since.  ln retrospect, l think blacking out one eye with makeup would have made it a little more fun.

  • How to handle harassment on the street/metro?
    Honeybadger2_small

    Don't ever feel bad if someone doesn't like it when you ignore a cat-call or call them on their bad behavior. This isn't about their feelings, it is about your right to move through the world unmolested.

    Safety is key, paying attention to the situation and using good judgement will save your skin better than all the martial arts in the world.

    When I volunteered at a Women's Center I was trained to deal with situations like these using a three step process: tell them what they did, tell them what they need to do, tell them what you will do next:

    "Your comment attempts to reduce me to an object. I need you to leave me alone, no hard feelings." (pause to allow them to process this, if they persist) "I will make a scene (alert the driver, call 911, whatever) if you do not leave me alone."

  • So where is good place to take self-defense for female empowerment?
    Kendo_20dog_small

    Most martial arts can be empowering if you practice with a good group of people. You seem to be looking for women-centric organizations. I found a few in Seattle:

    Karate: http://www.feministkarateunion.org/

    Kung Fu: http://sevenstarwomenskungfu.org/dnn/

    There are also organizations that teach self-defense specifically for women. I'm not sure how many of those are "empowering" in the sense I'm thinking of and how many are more practical demonstrations of how to fight back by any means necessary.

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  • Comment on mister_fusspot's answer…
    Dscf6268_for_web_small

    Thanks for the reply and clarifications; glad you found some help at Q-land. Good luck and stay safe... sorry you're being hassled. That's BS.

  • Comment on freikja's answer…
    Kermitsex_small

    To clarify for those who might take it the wrong way, l have an odd sense of humor sometimes - the black eye wouldn't be there to imply abuse, more like l got too drunk at 7am and took a header into the dining room table or side of the couch. Which may or may not have actually happened to me a little later on in the day once or twice.

  • Comment on RacerX's answer…
    Kermitsex_small

    HA!

  • Comment on B's answer…
    Kermitsex_small

    Oh, l understand, BB. l was just sayin. :)

  • Comment on freikja's answer…
    Kermitsex_small

    l wonder if switching cars would be a better option after you've given everyone else on the car you're on an opportunity to observe what's going on. lf you switch seats on that car and they follow, others might chip in. lf you go to another car where nobody knows what was going on in the previous one (though they may know immediately if you're followed), then you have to establish for everyone in that one that you're being harassed. Note that this is pure speculation, as we have shit for trains here, and l rarely ride them.

    People are generally more respectful here, yes, but the number of mentally ill is very, very high. lt's a rare bus trip that there isn't *someone* on there fighting aloud with their inner demons, or worse.

  • Comment on keshmeshi's answer…
    Kermitsex_small

    Amen to that. And l agree with everything else too.

  • Comment on B's answer…
    Kermitsex_small

    Yeah, on a busy street, full of businesses, you can duck into any given one if they double back and if necessary, inform the people who work there what's going on, but usually that's enough for them to lose you or discourage them from following you in and move on.

    lt's definitely all about *what* they say, though, as much as how they say it. While l rarely get catcalls l enjoy -though l usually just dismiss them anyway- l was waiting at the bus stop on Aurora (which is a fast moving busy street) and this car flies by, a guy leans out, and he smiles and goes, "Well, look at YOU!", and then they were gone.

    Since almost everytime someone says this, it's a compliment, l decided to take it as one and it kind of made my day. Those are few and far between, but they're not *all* bad. Not that l'm saying you were saying that (you weren't), just thought it a fun anecdote. :)

  • Comment on B's answer…
    Bierce1_small

    Yeah frekja, i think people are generally suggesting this when the person's trying to disempower/belittle you in public.

  • Comment on rickibot's answer…
    Bierce1_small

    "I have to say, though it happens all the time, I don't think anyone should shit on the art that someone else practices. It's rude, for one, and it typically comes from a place of insecurity and a need to cover for it with bravado."

    Yes, but it's not surprising that people who take the art for the purposes of bragging (as we see here) end up bragging :D

  • Comment on freikja's answer…
    Spiders_1a_small

    I think a lot of this is universal, but yes, the conductor isn't accessible on trains here. Switching cars is much better option, if it comes to it. FWIW I had much less of an issue in Seattle when I visited last month. People seemed a lot more respectful there :)Maybe it's a west coast thang!

  • Comment on keshmeshi's answer…
    Spiders_1a_small

    As far as I'm concerned, there's a rush hour highway sized difference between someone chatting because we both just saw something funny, he's commenting on a book I'm holding, etc and "Girl, you're so fine. Lemme get your number. What, why're you being so cold to me?" Unfortunately most of the attention I get in these environments falls into the latter category, and it's what I'm trying to get a lid on a bit here. I don't want to be totally closed off to everyone that talks to me, but I don't find these kinds of pick-ups to be anything but gross and irritating wastes of my time. I think if more women had some of these methods handy (and maybe if more men told their buddies to stop acting so ridiculous) we could see a reduction in this stuff here in DC.

  • Comment on B's answer…
    Spiders_1a_small

    Good points. Usually the catcalls from cars aren't a big deal, sometimes I even smile and wave although inside I feel really embarrassed because it calls a lot of unwanted attention to me. But I was reading the Hollaback DC site (suggested below), where a 15 year old girl expressed her anger at being followed by guys in a car and I wondered if I should not even do that much. I really don't want to egg on someone way unstable, but it seems that on a busy street, they can't do much but honk a few times and yell, so maybe handling it with humor isn't so bad in that circumstance.

  • Comment on mister_fusspot's answer…
    Spiders_1a_small

    Hi all, this exchanged raised good points that I wasn't clear about in my initial question-- namely, that strategies for avoiding conflict in the street might prove less useful on public transport. Of course on the street I'm not going to stop every time I hear someone yell at me, but by "up in my face" I meant that people do at times obstruct my path and demand to know why I'm being a bitch and playing them that way. I think it's better to keep moving in this circumstance than escalate. But on the metro, I feel like I can't get away, and often other patrons stare at the situation as if they're trying to figure out what to do themselves. I sometimes feel that I have a target on my forehead that incites certain types of guys to mess with me and I'm bad with snappy comebacks. So yes, my intention was to gather an arsenal of verbal/ behavioral tricks to use when this stuff happens, or, even better, to prevent it from happening. I thank all of you for helping me with this!

  • Comment on Dan Williams's answer…
    Bierce1_small

    I'd say it's appropriate. Drunk bravado and all.

  • Comment on RacerX's answer…
    Pd_small

    I think the apostate thing only works on JWs. The Mormons just start licking their chops.

  • Comment on Tom's answer…
    Kermitsex_small

    This is a great response.

  • Comment on mister_fusspot's answer…
    Kermitsex_small

    And to her credit, this is where Honeybadger's original point comes in - it's rarely that simple. The question is, will people intervene when it is clear they need to?

  • Comment on mister_fusspot's answer…
    Kermitsex_small

    Well, l think Honeybadger finally made her perspective far clearer, and this helped my understanding of what she was saying. When you're talking arsenals, it's kind of hard not to think of war in general, so l was a bit confused.

    But l think Mixy seems to have a head on her shoulders, so l'm not too worried about what she finally does, though l suspect she -like any other city dweller in which a train and camera (but not necessarily a driver) are present- will take into account those around her. lf we're talking a situation where the driver of a train isn't present and she has to defend herself physically, l hope humanity or chivalry (which l don't believe is dead) will intervene and prevent harm on all sides.

  • Comment on mister_fusspot's answer…
    Dscf6268_for_web_small

    I hear ya, freikja. At this point, the only thumbs I'm interested in are mixy's. She's commented on a few other answers; I'd really like to know whether she found any valuable perspective/support/insight from anything that you or I wrote. Surely we were making best efforts to offer thoughtful guidance.

  • Comment on Strategic Living - Joanne Factor's answer…
    Kermitsex_small

    l went to massage school, by the way, so l understand a lot of the kinesiology, l just don't know in terms of defense and muscle and joint protection.

  • Comment on Strategic Living - Joanne Factor's answer…
    Kermitsex_small

    Actually, it's arthritis, a torn meniscus (that was repaired two years ago, but according to the Dr. looked like a "70 year-old's knee" - and l've been dancing on it since), and a torn ACL, lengthwise, not transverse, so better for me and the tear in the long run. Yeah, long deep stances are a challenge. Of course, l worry about short, sharp kicks too, so l wonder about martial arts that incorporate dancing and/or fluid, from-the-waist moves (mostly from the upper body, or at least won't require strong leg movements) that would still be generally passive and take an opponent out.

  • Comment on Strategic Living - Joanne Factor's answer…
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    Depends on what's up with the knee, if it's arthritis or torn meniscus or some other issue. Consult w/ a sports medicine doc or physical therapist (I go to Central Physical Therapy on Capitol Hill) to assess your knee's functionality. Martial arts with long deep stances can be harder on knees.

  • Comment on Russ Campbell, NWEBS's answer…
    Bierce1_small

    The heckler isn't going to be afraid of a person who is obviously not around.

  • Comment on HoneyBadger's answer…
    Kermitsex_small

    This is a great answer.

  • Comment on mister_fusspot's answer…
    Kermitsex_small

    l'm curious. For whoever thumbed me down -not that l much care, frankly- do you disagree that putting others in danger by fighting back when there's a more practical option is a wise idea? Speak up, oh ye passive-aggressive voter! The masses want to know!

  • Comment on Russ Campbell, NWEBS's answer…
    555_pinout_small

    I don't get the thumbs down on this... I think it's great thinking out the box. Don't know if it would work but it's a nice angle.

  • Comment on IsadoraWing's answer…
    Sho_small

    I don't know, I wouldn't dismiss Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu out of hand. It was originally developed as a small person's game to prevail over traditional wrestling techniques. I'm a short woman, and I've done a good deal of ground fighting outside of my main art, kajukenbo. BJJ has some effective moves for the shorties. Eddie Bravo's 10th Planet teachings could be another ground system to consider for littler people, though flexibility is a must with that system. I've found that most people have less of an issue with strength on the ground and more of an issue with claustrophobia due to the cramped conditions. Anyway, my two cents for you.

  • Comment on keshmeshi's answer…
    Kermitsex_small

    Uh, yeah, DC is a whole nother party. That town is nuts. l definitely agree with that, and the last paragraph in particular. l stand corrected. :)

  • Comment on freikja's answer…
    Kermitsex_small

    Oh, Mixy's in DC? l must have missed that somewhere along the way. That would change things, yes. l thought we were discussing Seattle Metro buses in general.

  • Comment on HoneyBadger's answer…
    Dscf6268_for_web_small

    HoneyBadger - I'm glad you offered an answer of your own, and a good one at that. I'd like to emphasize your comment that "safety is key," which in many cases (including a crowded bus) might be best achieved by avoiding interaction with the offending party.