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  • Can Seattle (and surrounding area) support two more professional sports teams and the associated venue?
    Finn3goof_small
    I'd say so. Seattle area sports fans are a bit more... fickle? (the right word fails me) than I grew up around (New York City) and many have to drive much farther than the majority of east coast fans but we do have some advantages. Both a basketball team and a hockey team would have instant rivalries. And rivalries are the heart and soul of successful sports franchises.The new Sonics would pick up the Trailblazer rivalry immediately not to mention a ready made super grudge rivalry with the the Oklahoma City Lying Thieving Fucking Bastards. The Canucks are already one of the most hated teams in the NHL in general and few things are more satisfying to a passive aggressive psyche than a good hockey brawl. Population numbers are OK. I'm told the market is the 16th largest in the US (by guys on sports radio, which I must confess is a guilty pleasure of mine). My concern on that score is that the population is dispersed and may include people that live a several hour drive from Seattle. The venue will be about 18K seats, I think... that seems about right for an arena in a city like Seattle. Key arena was just under 18K according to Wikipedia. That means the sports should be able to sell out regularly. I don't know what the TV $ or the memorabilia crap $ means in the venue equation but I would think it significant. Both hockey and basketball have a real genuine championship history here in Seattle. It's kind of ironic that the two major pro sports that Seattle has had championship teams with are gone and the of two teams that we do have one has made it to the championship game only to lose. Between hockey and basketball there would be, including preseason and post season games, something like 100 home dates booking the venue. I would think at least 20-30 non-sporting acts would book there as well and maybe a few other dates taken by college basketball tournaments, circuses (do we allow those in Seattle?) and other more unconventional acts. I'd think 160 booked dates in a year would be reasonable. Maybe more. I'm biased. I like pro sports. But I know what I'm up against and Seattle is not a classic pro sports city. Not the way New York or Boston or even Cleveland and (god help me) San Francisco are. It's a Husky town, maybe. It's a tough town to get top players to come to. You have to fly hours to get to most of your opponents even within the division. It's rainy and cold a lot. etc. But few things bring cities together like a home team doing well and sports are one of those things that people of all political/social/economic/political stripes (with some exceptions) can talk about and be passionate about and find some common ground in. I miss that sort of thing. I have friends whose politics I abhor but we have sports in common. Without sports I would not have them in my life and I think that would make my life poorer in some way. And they would not have me in their life calling them mercilessly on all their shit in the non-sports world. And I know I have more influence over their thinking on non-sports subjects then they could ever have over mine. But I digress. As usual. Or more than usual. The real question becomes "Is this a good deal for Seattle". I say yes. This seems the best deal in years for any city. It'll work. We'll make it work.
  • Did you know that the Seattle Metropolitans hockey team won the Stanley Cup in 1917? Is that commemorated anywhere in Seattle?
    N510833790_3563_small

    They would have won again in 1919 if not for that damn flu!

  • Why are they called "bowls?"
    Qlandav2ex_small

    The open air stadiums with their huge sloping tiered seating have the appearance of a 'bowl' shape. If the history of the such events were created today they might call them "domes" as that is the prevalent design of large stadiums (covered and enclosed).

  • Who should I follow in the EPL?
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    Oh dear. How on earth did you end up THERE? The correct answer is of course Tottenham Hotspur, the finest club in all the land. But if you're set, you're set. At least you're not taking the obvious, scumbag route of choosing Man Utd (spit), Chelsea (spit), or the Arsenal (spit).

    Of those three, I'd say the proudest tradition is Everton's. They've won the league more than the other two combined, and have been in the top flight since 1954, which is longer than Manchester United, Liverpool, or indeed any other club besides Arsenal. They're overshadowed by their close neighbors Liverpool FC (their two stadiums are about a mile apart), but Liverpool is a lovely city to be from. In Liverpool they're known as "the people's club", unlike those prima donnas over at Anfield, with whom they have a bitter but oddly cheerful and blessedly non-sectarian rivalry. Liverpudlians and Evertonians will talk each other to death but are unlike to get out the knives and bombs like, say, Man Utd v. Man City or Rangers v. Celtic. In fact, red and blue are not segregated in the stands, unlike most Premier League games -- and nearly every Liverpool family has supporters of both clubs in it somewhere.

    Everton has always played beautiful football, and had a great deal of success, though in the modern billionaire they are not serious contenders -- they're on the outside, in the second tier, with Spurs and Aston Villa, hoping against hope to get enough lucky breaks to play in Europe and maybe, just maybe, get rich enough that way to sneak into the top tier -- but to be honest it's just not likely to happen. They're playing for fourth or fifth at best.

    WHO YOU HATE: Liverpool, Manchester United, London clubs.

    The nicest thing I have to say about Newcastle United is that I like their shirts, the black and white stripes, but their fans are rarely wearing them -- the classic Newcastle fan being an obese shirtless man shouting pornographic abuse in zero-degree weather. They have a less storied history than Everton but an impressive one. I've never been to Newcastle, but one possible drawback (or perhaps bonus) is the Georgie accent, which is absolutely impenetrable -- they sound like Germans trying to dislodge a severe mucus problem. Good beer, though, and you'd be able to show your support in a lot more places -- Newkie Broon is pretty commonly available.

    Their football is somewhat tragic, I'm afraid; Route One all the way, and they've just come back from a terrible run of form including relegation. The club owner is one of the most obnoxious and meddling in the league, which is a problem. If the recent past is anything to go by, you'll be seeing two or three new managers every season, which will be extraordinarily frustrating.

    WHO YOU HATE: Sunderland (currently in a lower division), London clubs.

    Blackburn Rovers are an interesting team. They're probably the most likely to get relegated of the three, which is a tragedy you may not be strong enough to endure. Your choice here is for life, you know.

    Blackburn are in a category best described as "plucky". They probably shouldn't even be in the league at all. Blackburn is an obscure place in Lancashire best known to Americans for the Beatles lyric about "4,000 holes" (which was a real newspaper story, about road potholes). The city of Blackburn is not high on anyone's tourist route, being purely working class and a crumbling remnant of the Industrial Revolution, but they have carved out a niche with imaginative and resilient football. They've even won the Premiership before, something neither of your other choices can say, though their one win was two decades ago in a brief period of insane spending that nearly destroyed the club. They were relegated shortly thereafter, though they've been back for a decade and are now a mid--to-lower table club, though they will struggle every single year -- the struggle to stay up is a hugely stressful one that will cause you to lose sleep. But they're usually a fun team to watch.

    WHO YOU HATE: Manchester United, Bolton Wanderers, London clubs.

    All three of these clubs will give you some cred walking down the street, as any nimrod with a credit card can find himself a Man Utd shirt to parade around in without even knowing who the hell they are, but if you're wearing a Newcastle, Blackburn or Everton shirt it can only be on purpose.

    For an interesting perspective on being an American following the Premiership, you might read "Bloody Confused: A Clueless American Sportswriter Seeks Solace in English Football" by Chuck Culpepper. He settled on Portsmouth, a small team from the south that just happened to have an improbable run of success while he was writing, though they have since fallen into deeply dire straits and have not only been relegated but are in danger of being wound up entirely (i.e., going bankrupt). He's a rather silly man, and Portsmouth is a silly club, but it's an entertaining story of learning how English football and culture work.

  • Any Bruins fans out there, Seattle?
    Dscf6268_for_web_small

    Hell yes, and they need to do it tonight!!

  • are the Mariners going to suck this year?
    Finn3goof_small

    ussmariner.com is good blog to get up to speed with if you appreciate sabermeterics.

    Having said that, the Ms season will be a success if they can pull off 75 wins. .500 baseball is probably not in the cards but anything approaching a .500 season would be welcome.

    Bill Bavasi wrecked the team in just a few years. I'd swear the Orioles paid him off as the now infamous 5-1 trade for Bedard greatly improved baltimore while destroying the Mariners' future. We're rebuilding from less than 0. Felix is king, Ichiro is Ichiro, but after that the talent level falls off. The rotation is proving to bed pretty solid so far (it's early, I know) but the bullpen is suspect at best. Guity is a great player when he plays but this persistent stomach ailment is worrying. Figgins should be better this year and Milton's got talent but is a head case.

    Jack Z is the real deal IMO and I would expect the Ms to greatly improve over the next few years.

  • Do Italian soccer teams play in summer?
    Gold-head_small

    What Jack said. June is actually the worst month of the year for soccer in all western European countries; the seasons end in May, and preseason friendlies don't start until late July or into August -- and even then, are likely to be either overseas, for the top clubs, or against very local lower-level clubs, probably in their stadiums, which will be impossible to get into.

    This season, for example, ends on May 22, and while next year's schedule won't be released until July, it will probably start on Saturday, August 27.

    If you do change your schedule, Fiorentina is a top club and will certainly be playing next year (i.e., won't be relegated). To an Italian, a team fifteen miles away might as well be on the moon, but as an American you're not bound that way, so you could easily travel to Cesena, near Rimini on the coast, or Bologna to the north, both of whom are currently out of the drop zone, though Cesena by a single point. Siena, in Serie B, is also close, and they're likely to get promoted this season.

    How easy is it to get tickets? I dunno. I'm seeing conflicting information. http://www.footballinitaly.com/travelplanner.html says it's pretty easy at various club-associated bars and other outlets, which your hotel should be able to help you with. But the site may be old; there are new very strict controls over who gets to go to the matches and in what part of the stadium -- there is absolutely no mingling allowed between supporters of different clubs. You will have to declare (and you should declare for Fiorentina, obviously).

    Fiorentina's fans are notorious but unless you back into a flare or something you should be perfectly safe, especially if your kids are with you. Some Italian lunatic might teach them how to say something spectacularly offensive in Italian, though!

    The easy way is to go through a broker, who will charge you an arm and a leg, but will get you a working ticket for sure. I'd try the hotel first.

    The other option is to see what else is on at the stadium. Fiorentina's stadium is a top venue and Italian international matches will be played there. The European Championships are next year and qualifiers are being played now. In June? Italy's playing Estonia on the 3rd (subject to change) but the stadium isn't announced -- it could be Fiorentina, but it's unlikely. There are other events there, too, like concerts and even Rugby Union.

    More info:

    http://www.budgetairlinefootball.co.uk/636/35001.html

    http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/75cf2/24e41/d/ (warning: popup hell)

    http://en.violachannel.tv/ (official site, in English, sort of)

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  • Comment on Tom's answer…
    Finn3goof_small

    Thanks, Russ. I figured I must have done something wrong.

  • Comment on Tom's answer…
    Qlandav2ex_small

    I like your explanation and enthusiasm. It will be interesting to observe how this all plays out with time.

    BTW, if you accidentally touch that blue "Add Images, Video and More..." bar at the bottom of the answer box you shift into an HTML format mode and thus lose all the paragraph formatting you did in just typing in an answer using the [return] key. It can be a real pain.

  • Comment on Tom's answer…
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    Don't forget about our WNBA team, the Seattle Storm. They have won championships and are still here.

  • Comment on Tom's answer…
    Finn3goof_small

    I swear to god that when I wrote this I used paragraphs. What the fuck? It's worse than trying to read "Tarantula".

  • Comment on capicola's answer…
    Korban_small

    Still the same answer?

  • Comment on Andrew Beck's answer…
    N510833790_3563_small

    Call one of the bars that shows Soccer that has Direct TV and ask if they have that channel and will let you watch. They probably will (although I don't see it listed in the guide here: http://www.directv.com/entertainment/guide). There's not a lot of sports on TV tonight to compete with.

  • Comment on Andrew Beck's answer…
    Gold-head_small

    Yes, it's on DirecTV channel 427 and Dish Network, probably Pay-per-view.

    I'll probably have to find a stream.

    I don't care about English-language commentary, or even if there's any commentary at all.

  • Comment on soundslikepuget's answer…
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    Thanks for the feedback. We ended up going to the north parking lot, which is the semi-official place to tailgate. Every once in a while an alcohol enforcement person rolled through. But as long as you had your beer in an opaque plastic cup you were solid. I did see them take away people's clear plastic cups which clearly had beer in it, but they let the people stay.

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
    Ozomahtli_small

    No offense, ECS, but this reminds me of suburban white kids memorizing Public Enemy lyrics.

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
    Gold-head_small

    You have no idea how much it pains me to hear the Emerald City Supporters singing Millwall's song. "We are Millwall, mighty Millwall, We are Millwall from the Den, no one likes us, no one likes us, no one likes us, we don't care". Urgh. Fancy a broken head to go with that?

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
    Ozomahtli_small

    Yes, they are awful. But, they are currently 4th in the table, survived the away leg of the Millwall derby, and are already knocked out of Carling Cup. Now they can just focus on the task at hand.

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
    Gold-head_small

    Oh, God, the Spammers are horrible, even if Billy Bragg supports them. You have my sympathy. Maybe in a few years you'll get to celebrate promotion!

    Suarez is doing nicely for me in fantasy, though not as nicely as Aguero would have done had I kept him. But yes, he would have made a lovely Hotspur.

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
    Ozomahtli_small

    You should have picked up Suarez when you had the chance. He's almost enough to make me a Liverpool fan. But, no bandwagon for me ... I'm sticking with West Ham. Join em when they're down!

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
    Gold-head_small

    Wow, that Wigan game was as untypical a game as you could have found. It was just one of those magic days; Defoe isn't that good, and Wigan isn't that bad, but things just lined up right for everybody. Defoe is a very frustrating player, like all Spurs strikers and indeed everyone on the attacking side. He scores five there, but disappears for months at a time afterwards. And from what I've seen of him this year he looks slow, and he's having trouble even getting into Harry's squad, though Harry has some, er, unusual ideas about player rotation. I think he'll score some more goals for us but he's never going to be thought of as the centerpiece again. He's more of a late sub these days. We desperately need a top striker to really compete -- Adebayor is a useful stopgap but not the long-term solution that someone like Huntelaar, Llorente, Aguero or Tevez would have been -- but we can't have them because we're not in the Champions League. Such is the Catch-22 of top-flight football.

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
    Ozomahtli_small

    I only recently started watching EPL games, and one of the very first I saw was Jermain Defoe scoring 5 goals against Wigan. Wigan defended like their feet were nailed to the pitch, but it was impressive nonetheless. It doesn't seem like he's quite returned to that form after hurting his knee.

    I would like to un-see Adebayor's game for Real Madrid in the 1st leg of the UCL semifinal last year (awful game on all counts). He just ran around knocking people over. I don't think he even tried to touch the ball.

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
    Gold-head_small

    Barton to QPR, I missed that one. How many red cards does he have for them this month?

    Peter Who?

    I saw Crouchie score a lovely headed goal against The Great Satan this weekend, and narrowly miss another, so good for him. I think moving from Spurs is best for all concerned. Now we just find out if Adebayor is an improvement or not. I think he will be, despite any lingering traces of Arsenality that may cling to him.

    Favorite Spur? Ledley King, hands down. Of course, he has no cartilage in his knees and so will be lucky to play in ten games this year....so I'll have to go with Modric, for his arms-akimbo style, or Bale, for his too-infrequently-seen explosive speed (see this great animation of the night he destroyed Inter Milan last year http://youtu.be/cRZMjHzWXQc) or Dawson for his tireless work or Assou-Ekotto for his audacity and his spectacular hair or Thudds for his obstinate hulking brutality or Dos Santos because I love Mexicans or Harry "Hurricane" Kane for his nickname-friendly name or Danny Rose for his 2013 breakout or even Gomes for his great saves that we will miss even as we are relieved to live without his overstated gaffes. I love them all; they're my boys.

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
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    Nah, Barton's at QPR now, but yeah, he is a psychotic.

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
    Ozomahtli_small

    Fnarf, now that your favorite player in the world, Peter Crouch, has left the Spurs, do you have a new favorite player?

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
    Gold-head_small

    Well, they're certainly off to a sparkling start, after six games. But they still have Joey Barton, who is an excellent player when he's not stubbing cigars out in his teammate's eye (yes, really) or starting fights on the pitch (virtually every game). And they still have the lunatic management, who will no doubt find a way to sack the manager and alienate their best players before long. But I'm happy for now, because I've got a couple of their defenders in my fantasy team....

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
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    Fnarf, I was under the impression that Newcastle's remade their side, getting rid of all their stereotypically English (and expensive players) and is now playing a much more attractive/continental style.

  • Comment on Do-Gooder's answer…
    Bella_small

    Oh hell, I just realized you're in Seattle and not Portland. Ok, neve rmind, I guess. However, I'd just like to say that more dudes should act like you in Seattle.

  • Comment on Camembert's answer…
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    Everton is traditionally the best supported club in North Wales, especially in the populous part by the English border. It was founded by the congregation of a Methodist chapel - very Welsh. My great-great-grandfather, a Welsh-speaking Welshman, was supposedly a founder member.

    Everton were the original team in Liverpool. Liverpool FC were formed when Everton refused to pay more rent to the landlord & he formed his own club. Because of this it has been claimed that Everton were the "working class" club and Liverpool FC were the "middle class" landlords' club. Because the middle class of Liverpool were mostly protestant, Liverpool FC were seen as the protestant club. However, there haven't been any religious/sectarian divisions in football in Merseyside in anyone's living memory.

  • Comment on Camembert's answer…
    Korban_small

    Well I picked Newcastle, because I went to middle and high school in Newcastle, Wyo. Also, I love Newcastle beer. That's it. Oh, and they have great kits.
    I picked Blackburn for a few reasons. I'm a GB Packers fan, so the small town/winning history thing appeals to me. They seem like an underdog lately, another pro in my opinion.
    Everton because of the Catholic and Ireland thing. My family is Irish, Scottish and Welsh so I wanted to pick the least English club in the EPL (stupid I know, but whatever). I read they are considered the blue collar club in Liverpool.
    I know they are all corporate products, but the image and history of sports teams means a lot to a fan like me. At this point I've probably excluded Newcastle. From here on out it's see how the season goes and which current squad fits my tastes.

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
    Ab_normal_small

    The friendly derby is a myth. The games are horrible.

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
    Gold-head_small

    Both Liverpool and Everton are Catholic and Protestant. Liverpool is the most popular club in Ireland, for instance, and Liverpool itself is England's most Catholic city -- it's been called "Ireland's easternmost city" (and "America's easternmost city" as well; if you're Irish or English in origin your ancestors probably departed from there).

    Newcastle were founded in 1892; Everton in 1878; and Blackburn in 1875 (note that all these clubs are younger than the oldest American baseball teams, a fact which confuses Britons to no end).

    I'm not sure where you get "bandwagon" with regard to the Sounders; they've only been around for three years. And there's really no wagon to jump aboard; they've won a couple of US Open Cups, but never a single playoff game. If you're suggesting that Sounders fans are johnny-come-latelies with no history with the club, well, you're casting about for a new club to support in England, a place where you don't even live. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

    If you're looking for real bandwagon fans in the Premiership, you should cast your eyes down Stamford Bridge way, where Chelsea play.

    That is in fact the only real drawback to supporting Everton; their shirts are a similar shade of blue to Chelsea's. Though last year they played some of their games in PINK, of all things.

    If you do pick Everton, you'll have to make a pilgrimage at some point. Liverpool is a lovely, much-maligned city struggling to recover from economic devastation in the 80s and 90s. Some call it England's Detroit, which is going too far -- it's still a working city. And if you like beer, well, Liverpool has the finest pubs in all of Britain. And you might even be able to get a ticket to Goodison Park for less than $500, which is what it's likely to cost me at White Hart Lane if I make it over in time.

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
    Korban_small

    By Sounder culture I mean bandwagon. Also, sorry about the typos and redundancies in these last two posts. Writing on my phone with big thumbs.

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
    Korban_small

    Thanks for the answer. I've written off Neewcastle. I only picked them because I spent 8 of my most formative years in Newcastle, Wyo. and I love the beer. I love that both everton and blackburn are some of the oldest and most historic clubs. I think I give everton the edge for being the "catholic club" even if that's not really true. Still, I'm a big Packers fan and so the small city with a proud history thing appeals to me too.
    I'm actually kind of scared of making this commitment.

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
    Gold-head_small

    Ack! Sunderland are back! Of course. It's Middlesbrough that's still down. Sorry.

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
    Facebookad_small

    One small correction - Sunderland are not in a lower division; they've been (back) in the top flight since 2007 and finished a point above Newcastle this past season.

    That said - great answer (also good to see you're a fellow Spurs fan).

  • Comment on Fnarf's answer…
    Ozomahtli_small

    Excellent answer. I just started watching EPL in earnest last season. The two teams I got the most excited about: West Ham and Blackpool, so that didn't end well for me. I'm not sure what to do this season.